Friedman: Flyers working with Seattle to move a High Salary Player (Potentially Voracek)

[brewski420]

It seems to me that the Flyers think Seattle will take Voracek w/o an incentive because of Hakstol connection (something I stupidly hadn't considered in previous posts). I could see that being the case and while hoping for some sweetener would like him as a veteran presence.

 

[ted2019]

Take your pick. I'm pretty sure there would be a line of teams interested in Voracek's service.

The thing is another team would want the Flyers to take back cap, which the Flyers don't want to do, unless it fills another hole of need.

 

[Cootsfanclub]

It seems to me that the Flyers think Seattle will take Voracek w/o an incentive because of Hakstol connection (something I stupidly hadn't considered in previous posts). I could see that being the case and while hoping for some sweetener would like him as a veteran presence.

I don't think there is a Hakstol connection for any good players that played under him.

 

[brewski420]

I don't think there is a Hakstol connection for any good players that played under him.

Hakstol might think there is.

 

[backburner]

If he’s picked cool, flyers shouldn’t pay is my opinion.

 

[brewski420]

If he’s picked cool, flyers shouldn’t pay is my opinion.

Maybe not but trying to trade him after the ED (if not selected by Seattle) as is stated in that article they might have to retain some salary or take back salary.

 

[Tripod]

What the Flyers SHOULD be doing, is talking to Seattle about a bigger "deal" where Seattle picks a RHD in the ED and he is traded to the Flyers. Target Cernak 1st, then guys like Dumba, etc..

So for all we know, this has been part of the discussion.

 

[banks]

Seattle should be thrilled to get Voracek.

 

[brewski420]

Seattle should be thrilled to get Voracek.

Teams that are cup contenders would be thrilled to have Voracek. The Flyers should be thrilled if the Kraken took him without any small enticement.

 

[Dooble08]

Maybe not but trying to trade him after the ED (if not selected by Seattle) as is stated in that article they might have to retain some salary or take back salary.

But the Flyers get something back in that scenario. Instead of having to pay a 1st to Seattle to take him (an absolute joke in my opinion), Flyers can get a 1st plus (again depending on what is coming back) from another team back for Voracek.

 

[brewski420]

But the Flyers get something back in that scenario. Instead of having to pay a 1st to Seattle to take him (an absolute joke in my opinion), Flyers can get a 1st plus (again depending on what is coming back) from another team back for Voracek.

Than that is what they should do. I would just assume the Kraken not take not take him without incentive (not necessarily a first).

What the Flyers want to do is rid themselves of the contract without taking anything back and not having to give anything else. Right now only Seattle can offer anything close to that.

 

[Dooble08]

Than that is what they should do. I would just assume the Kraken not take not take him without incentive (not necessarily a first).

Hell, even if the Kraken take him (or JVR for that matter), they can just flip one of them to get further assets.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

After that Keith deal, y'all still sure we'd have to pay someone to take Jake?

 

[Tripod]

After that Keith deal, y'all still sure we'd have to pay someone to take Jake?

or JVR....60 point guy with 2 years left.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

or JVR....60 point guy with 2 years left.

The Flat-Cap crisis has officially jumped the shark with this Keith trade

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

After that Keith deal, y'all still sure we'd have to pay someone to take Jake?

Lets not let one trade by a bad GM let us think that is how all the trades will be carried out.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Lets not let one trade by a bad GM let us think that is how all the trades will be carried out.

Yeah - we should probably base it off of pure speculation rather than the evidence just given to us.

 

[quackquackquack]

Not saying its the same situation but it could be an ANA-VKG situation where they draft x player (Theodore) and trade for y player as thank you compensation (Stoner.) In this case it could be flipped where PHI trades Myers + to SEA and SEA drafts Voracek

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Yeah - we should probably base it off of pure speculation rather than the evidence just given to us.

Who said that? All I am saying is that one deal between two teams does not mean much really. You are choosing to ignore cap implications in this market just because of one trade that Edmonton made with Chicago.

 

[Tripod]

Reality is, Fletch MIGHT pay to move Jake, JVR or Ghost....because he is a shitty GM.

But there are also teams who struggle attracting UFA's and keeping people, so they 100% could be interested in 60 point forwards signed for 2 or 3 years....knowing that in 1-2 years, they can be flipped for a good return at the deadline/1 year left.

 

[Irie]

Hell, even if the Kraken take him (or JVR for that matter), they can just flip one of them to get further assets.

If it were that easy, the Flyers would just do it and not risk losing either for nothing.

If you have to retain or take cap back to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick, what is the actual net positive of flipping either?

 

[Hockeyholic]

Flyers need to pick a direction.

Either go all in or completely tear it down.

They are the definition of mediocre.

2013: Missed postseason
2014: Made postseason
2015: Missed postseason
2016: Made postseason
2017: Missed postseason
2018: Made postseason
2019: Missed postseason
2020: Made postseason
2021: Missed postseason

Zero series wins since being gifted it in 2012 by Fleury.

 

[Tripod]

Not saying its the same situation but it could be an ANA-VKG situation where they draft x player (Theodore) and trade for y player as thank you compensation (Stoner.) In this case it could be flipped where PHI trades Myers + to SEA and SEA drafts Voracek

And that would be asinine to do....as we saw it play out.

And in what world is Voracek like Stoner??? It's amazing how underrated Voracek is just based on age and cap hit.

He was 18th in the league in assists this year.
He has paced for 65+ points in each of the last 3 years.
He was 31st in ES pts...more than Pastrnak, Boeser, Giroux, Point, Zibby, Hertl, Backstrom, Nylander, etc...

 

[Irie]

Yeah - we should probably base it off of pure speculation rather than the evidence just given to us.

Has anyone in the industry come out and said Edmonton did well in that deal? Hell, has even a single poster on these boards said it was a good move for Edmonton?

That is more indicative of the reality of the situation, imo, and probably should not be viewed as an indicator for future transactions this off-season.

 

[quackquackquack]

And that would be asinine to do....as we saw it play out.

And in what world is Voracek like Stoner??? It's amazing how underrated Voracek is just based on age and cap hit.

He was 18th in the league in assists this year.
He has paced for 65+ points in each of the last 3 years.
He was 31st in ES pts...more than Pastrnak, Boeser, Giroux, Point, Zibby, Hertl, Backstrom, Nylander, etc...

Not comparing the players AT ALL. comparing the tradeable situation: A team wanting to get rid of a "bad" contract and is willing to give away a prospect.