Proposal: Flyers-Devils

[Bobby Orr's Knees]

No thanks I pass on Zacha. Any player at that age who does not give it his all I have a problem with.

This is BS. Zacha is a hard worker. His issues have nothing to do with not giving effort. He needs more time to develop and become more consistent in the NHL. Effort is fine, and all the tools are there.

 

[Hockeypete49]

Because every player is available if the trade makes sense. If the trade makes your team better overall, then you have to consider it.

OK consider this then if you do not mind. If Ray Shero called Ron Hextall and asked for Ivan Provorov and said Pavel Zacha was available. In your opinion, who would have to add? I am very curious to see your answer. My earlier comments about Zacha's "consistency" have clearly touched a nerve with some devil fans.
Thanks

 

[major major]

Zacha is more of a sure bet. I bet Philly would do the trade for positional need but it's risky for NJ. D in general are just harder to project unless they're super well rounded to begin with (which Sanheim is not).

 

[Baemon Severson*]

OK consider this then if you do not mind. If Ray Shero called Ron Hextall and asked for Ivan Provorov and said Pavel Zacha was available. In your opinion, who would have to add? I am very curious to see your answer. My earlier comments about Zacha's "consistency" have clearly touched a nerve with some devil fans.
Thanks

Why are you bringing up Provorov in a trade about Zacha for Sanheim?

 

[Jersey Fresh]

OK consider this then if you do not mind. If Ray Shero called Ron Hextall and asked for Ivan Provorov and said Pavel Zacha was available. In your opinion, who would have to add? I am very curious to see your answer. My earlier comments about Zacha's "consistency" have clearly touched a nerve with some devil fans.
Thanks

Sure, but only if by "touched a nerve" you meant "was asinine and completely fictitious".

 

[Rebels57]

The Flyers would have no interest whatsoever in trading Sanheim for Zacha.

Big, mobile, two-way dmen that skate like Sanheim are far more valuable than most LWs (which regardless of where you think Zacha ends up playing in NJ, it is where he would end up playing in Philly).

 

[zharkenby]

No thanks I pass on Zacha. Any player at that age who does not give it his all I have a problem with. Travis will have a big role with the Flyers one day and I look forward to that but having said that if Ron were to move him it would be in a package to land someone who Hextall would have complete faith in. Just so happy jersey passed on Provorov.

PZ didn't go home this summer to train in New Jersey... Clearly very committed to his development. This is outta left field

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I am happy he was for Philly's sake. We landed a true #1 defenseman with pick 7. Heck I even like Travis Konecny better and he was a late 1st round pick that year. If the young man is so good why are fans of the bevs looking to move him in a one for one deal?

1) Provorov is a #1 DMan already? alrighty!
2) this thread wasn't started by a Devils fan
3) I don't know if there is a Devils fan in this thread taht said that they would do the deal?

its pretty hard to be so wrong so many times in one post.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Is Adam Hall playing for NJ Devils?

You don't seriously think that Travis Sanheim for Taylor Hall is a fair trade

right?

 

[Weiss1604]

I'm Switzerland here , to me value is almost fair but Philadelphia has no need for Zacha whilst Jersey has a massive need for Sanheim , so because of that Jersey adds ( not sure how much ) . However as others have previously said Philly has no need to make such a trade .

 

[Rebels57]

1) Provorov is a #1 DMan already? alrighty!
2) this thread wasn't started by a Devils fan
3) I don't know if there is a Devils fan in this thread taht said that they would do the deal?

its pretty hard to be so wrong so many times in one post.

He was the Flyers #1 at 19 years old. Led the team in icetime...in fact he was the only rookie to lead his team in icetime. His 5v5 production was 1st pairing level. Was named the teams best defensemen at the end of the season (http://sonsofpenn.com/ivan-provorov-barry-ashbee-trophy-most-outstanding-defenseman/). All while playing with Andrew MacDonald. By next season, he will have cemented himself as a #1 dman by the arbitrary criteria used by the average hockey fan.

Back to this deal though..the Flyers simply cannot afford to trade a highly-skilled D prospect until their NHL defense is fixed and playing at a high level.

They had 3 NHL calibre defensemen last season (Provorov, Ghost, Gudas). Sanheim, Morin, and Hagg are expected to be in the mix this season and Phil Myers the next. Once the dust settles and they have a top 6 performing at a high level (for the first time since Prongers injury really), then they can consider trading 1 for help elsewhere.

 

[Starat327]

Zacha is more of a sure bet. I bet Philly would do the trade for positional need but it's risky for NJ. D in general are just harder to project unless they're super well rounded to begin with (which Sanheim is not).

I havent seen this bad of a misinformed post in quite some time. You should track Sanheim's development a bit better.

 

[Rebels57]

Zacha is more of a sure bet. I bet Philly would do the trade for positional need but it's risky for NJ. D in general are just harder to project unless they're super well rounded to begin with (which Sanheim is not).

Zacha isn't really a positional need.

We are set at Center.

Lindblom will be the top 6 LW we were missing.

Saying Sanheim isn't well-rounded is incorrect. He is very much a 2way defensemen.

 

[Larry44]

Zacha isn't really a positional need.

We are set at Center.

Lindblom will be the top 6 LW we were missing.

Saying Sanheim isn't well-rounded is incorrect. He is very much a 2way defensemen.

This is is. OP doesn't realize Flyers are happy with their forward prospects and don't need to trade a potential impact offensive Dman who is big and fast for a good F prospect like Zacha.

OP is a fan of neither team and doesn't understand either team's needs/assets. Pass on all sides and close the thread please, it's moot.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

You think Sam Morin is better than Greene, Severson, Santini or Moore? He's probably on par with Mirco Mueller

I wouldn't even go that far. I take Muellers potential over Morin every day. While I think Sanhiem is actually still quite underrated, Morin is massively overrated.

 

[rent free]

How about Nolan Patrick for nico heisher?

 

[Starat327]

I wouldn't even go that far. I take Muellers potential over Morin every day. While I think Sanhiem is actually still quite underrated, Morin is massively overrated.

How is he overrated? Most people are expecting him to be a physical, top 4 shut down guy at the NHL, and he hasnt shown anything to discredit that.

Different strokes for different folks, i suppose.

 

[Baemon Severson*]

How is he overrated? Most people are expecting him to be a physical, top 4 shut down guy at the NHL, and he hasnt shown anything to discredit that.

Different strokes for different folks, i suppose.

He hasn't done anything to show he can be a top 4 dman. He has some of the worst advanced stats on the Phantoms and is only being regarded as high upside, which is what top 4 means, because he is tall and was taken 11th overall in a good draft. Think of it this way, in his draft +4 season, Philly was somewhat close to a playoff spot, traded Streit and he still didnt get a call up. They were trotting out NIck Schultz and Andrew MacDonald over him

 

[Hockeypete49]

PZ didn't go home this summer to train in New Jersey... Clearly very committed to his development. This is outta left field

Glad to hear it cause with Zajac out 4 to 6 months he will get his minutes, so this will be his time to shine.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

No need to be sorry.

no need to be ignorant either.

 

[Starat327]

He hasn't done anything to show he can be a top 4 dman. He has some of the worst advanced stats on the Phantoms and is only being regarded as high upside, which is what top 4 means, because he is tall and was taken 11th overall in a good draft. Think of it this way, in his draft +4 season, Philly was somewhat close to a playoff spot, traded Streit and he still didnt get a call up. They were trotting out NIck Schultz and Andrew MacDonald over him

...and? We also trotted out Andrew MacDonald over a healthy Shayne Gostisbehere last year. Poor personnel decisions doesn't mean a player or prospect doesn't have upside still.

 

[BHD]

OK consider this then if you do not mind. If Ray Shero called Ron Hextall and asked for Ivan Provorov and said Pavel Zacha was available. In your opinion, who would have to add? I am very curious to see your answer. My earlier comments about Zacha's "consistency" have clearly touched a nerve with some devil fans.
Thanks

Except that question doesn't pertain to my comment.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

How is he overrated? Most people are expecting him to be a physical, top 4 shut down guy at the NHL, and he hasnt shown anything to discredit that.

Different strokes for different folks, i suppose.

I don't see much more than a 6/7 guy at the NHL level. So to me, he is overrated at a top 4 spot. Don't worry, you have plenty of other NHL top 4 talent in that pool. I think Morin is propped up by the rest.

 

[tictactoe]

You don't seriously think that Travis Sanheim for Taylor Hall is a fair trade

right?

Only, if you seriously think that Zacha will get you Sanheim. Right?

 

[FlyTimmo]

I don't see much more than a 6/7 guy at the NHL level. So to me, he is overrated at a top 4 spot. Don't worry, you have plenty of other NHL top 4 talent in that pool. I think Morin is propped up by the rest.

You said he was "massively overrated". I wouldn't call the difference between people thinking he could be reliable #4 and you thinking he could be a #6 massive. He may be overrated to some, but I don't see many fans with strong opinions regarding him so it is kind of strange to call him very overrated.

You probably just haven't watched much of Morin. He is big, but he actually does have some decent speed. When the Flyers drafted him, he was raw to say the least. He will and has the largest developmental curve out of all our d-prospects. It will take him a long time to become that middle pair guy, maybe that is why you/others are pretty down on him.