News Article: Fluto: By trading Dougie Hamilton, Update: Signs 6yrs/34.5M

[BruinDust]

The quotes from Sweeney here at troubling.

About Lucic. They didn't feel they would be able to pay him what his next contract would be asking. No but they got all sorts of money for the likes of Smith, Seidenberg, and an injury-prone bottom-pair D man in McQuaid.

Sounds like they made a long-term offer to Hamilton likely south of 5 million and were quickly rejected. They also were basically told a bridge-deal wasn't going to happen period. So with that they decided that was it and Hamilton had to go.

And Julien's comments about Hamilton and young players earning their salary were very telling too about how he feels about young players vs. how he feels about veterans. Not saying he hates young players but clearly in his mind he separates players into two categories, young vs. veteran, end of story.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

An article says Hamilton was only looking for around 5 million! ?! We will have to wait and see what he signs for in Calgary but if the price was that low... even I think he's worth that now. And I was against overpaying him now to have him be a bargain later.

 

[fake british accent]

An article says Hamilton was only looking for around 5 million! ?! We will have to wait and see what he signs for in Calgary but if the price was that low... even I think he's worth that now. And I was against overpaying him now to have him be a bargain later.

Even if it would be $5-6m now, that would be for a couple years and then he would be looking for his max value max length deal. Maybe Sweeney would rather reserve that money to max offersheet someone better instead of reserving it for Hamilton?

I'm not happy with today but we didn't win a Cup with a days worth of deals either.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

4 years, 5 million? Can always trade him later.

 

[HanktheHammer*]

I think Hamilton was overhyped. He wasn't physical. Other young d-men like Ekblad, Brodie, Jones, Trouba and Heddman all surpassed Dougie at their playing level right now and he wants to be paid handsomely.

Sweeney couldn't do it. Sweeney must've known Hamilton was going to be offer sheeted by next week. Chiapet looks like the prime suspect for that offer sheet. Sweeney was only fixing the mess left behind by Chiapet. Sweeney got a good return on Hamilton. The Senyshyn looks to be a riser in the draft like Dallas's pick Garanyov(sic).

 

[Daishi]

I think Hamilton was overhyped. He wasn't physical. Other young d-men like Ekblad, Brodie, Jones, Trouba and Heddman all surpassed Dougie at their playing level right now and he wants to be paid handsomely.

Sweeney couldn't do it. Sweeney must've known Hamilton was going to be offer sheeted by next week. Chiapet looks like the prime suspect for that offer sheet. Sweeney was only fixing the mess left behind by Chiapet. Sweeney got a good return on Hamilton. The Senyshyn looks to be a riser in the draft like Dallas's pick Garanyov(sic).

Bruins had 3 opportunities to pick Barzal and/or Connor. Instead they opted for the second rounders. How do you explain that? Sweeney knows something the rest of the hockey world doesn't?

As far as your assessment on Hamilton goes, you're obviously wrong. He's a franchise defenseman.

 

[Ice Nine]

Absolutely disastrous day.

Terrible trades. Both were debacles.

I'm also not thrilled about the drafting.

There's nothing left to say.

 

[GloveSave1]

The quotes from Sweeney here at troubling.

About Lucic. They didn't feel they would be able to pay him what his next contract would be asking. No but they got all sorts of money for the likes of Smith, Seidenberg, and an injury-prone bottom-pair D man in McQuaid.

Sounds like they made a long-term offer to Hamilton likely south of 5 million and were quickly rejected. They also were basically told a bridge-deal wasn't going to happen period. So with that they decided that was it and Hamilton had to go.

And Julien's comments about Hamilton and young players earning their salary were very telling too about how he feels about young players vs. how he feels about veterans. Not saying he hates young players but clearly in his mind he separates players into two categories, young vs. veteran, end of story.

Cool. I feel the same way. But you can be mad at the system, but you have to live in it. Dougie was set to make bank every step of the way from the day he was drafted - as long as he didn't faceplant. It's just the current reality. I guess the Bruins bucked it.

An article says Hamilton was only looking for around 5 million! ?! We will have to wait and see what he signs for in Calgary but if the price was that low... even I think he's worth that now. And I was against overpaying him now to have him be a bargain later.

6.5 per for 6+ years, that's my guess. I'm thinking he'll be a Chris Chelios type guy by age 27 or 28......so, yeah, like 5+ years from now...probably...no, for sure...I forgot, it's Dougie..

I think Hamilton was overhyped. He wasn't physical. Other young d-men like Ekblad, Brodie, Jones, Trouba and Heddman all surpassed Dougie at their playing level right now and he wants to be paid handsomely.

Sweeney couldn't do it. Sweeney must've known Hamilton was going to be offer sheeted by next week. Chiapet looks like the prime suspect for that offer sheet. Sweeney was only fixing the mess left behind by Chiapet. Sweeney got a good return on Hamilton. The Senyshyn looks to be a riser in the draft like Dallas's pick Garanyov(sic).

Just stop. You're looking at it too logically. You're just supposed to say he's going to be a franchise defenseman and he's only 21. It's for sure. Pay him whatever sum you're forced to for the good part of a decade. The defensive game will appear someday.

Bruins had 3 opportunities to pick Barzal and/or Connor. Instead they opted for the second rounders. How do you explain that? Sweeney knows something the rest of the hockey world doesn't?

As far as your assessment on Hamilton goes, you're obviously wrong. He's a franchise defenseman.

...If I have to hear Barzal one more time. It's pretty clear Donnie doesn't think he's going to pan out.

It's not like he's the next coming of Christ...or someone would have reached and taken him in the top 11.

 

[Dicky113]

People have been sure Dougie is a franchise defenseman for so long they are incapable of thinking anything else.

Sweeney might very well feel that Dougie will only be a very solid offensive defenseman for many years, but might never be a solid defender. Maybe he didn't want to pay 6.5 per for a offensive defensman for a real long term.

The return was weak, because of the Dougie hype. Sweeney, and tuns of people, have been terrified of an offer sheet for weeks. He wanted the picks this year.

I'm not sure an offer sheet was so sure. But Sweeney's actions scream it was.

ok, I buy this, Bruins brass were obviously not sold on Hamilton and they didn't want to commit long term at that price, fine. But the thing that makes no sense is that we move Hamilton for a mid first round pick in a deep draft then use that pick to select at past a second round player when there were two top 10 rated prospects on the board. Why waste the pick you traded your top young asset to get? Why not use one of your second or third rounders instead (all indications are that debrusk and senechyn would have been around on round 2 or even 3.

I am just so absolutely shocked by that display of GM fail.

 

[Latrappe]

Couple of points:

1- Very clear that Hamilton camp had a plan and didn't budge from it. If it's really true that they rejected 6 per, well....

2- Bruins were in the same tough situation as they were with Lucic. Young player who can receive an offer sheet and they have to make a decision. They took the opposite direction and refused to pay.

3- People are crying about the return but why a GM would give a very good asset when the only thing he had to do was to submit an offer sheet who cost only draft picks? No small wonders why Sweeney had to evaluate different offers with picks only.

4- Bruins need to upgrade the D via trade. Rask can help them but he can't do it alone....

 

[Bruwinz37]

As said by others truly a horrible day. Worst day of GMing I have ever witnessed.

I thought Lucic needed to be moved but I can't imagine that was the best returnee could get.

I would say there has to be more but not I am afraid what that more would be. The only appropriate reaction is to fire Sweeney. I wish I was missing. Horrible day.

 

[Latrappe]

As said by others truly a horrible day. Worst day of GMing I have ever witnessed.

I thought Lucic needed to be moved but I can't imagine that was the best returnee could get.

I would say there has to be more but not I am afraid what that more would be. The only appropriate reaction is to fire Sweeney. I wish I was missing. Horrible day.

So, it is Sweeney or... these moves were ordered by Neely/Jacobs?

 

[PatriceBergeron]

Lebrun wrote that other GM's are absolutely shocked how little Dougie Hamilton returned and questioned why you even trade a potential franchise if you're trying to retool in the first place.

Feels like the league views us as a joke right now. Rightfully so I think.

 

[ashnathan]

Lets be honest, we got a very good return for Looch....before we found out we retained that salary. To me, its a fair deal with no salary retained, but eating 50% of a contract should have given us at least Pearson if not Kempe. I feel we won the trade until we learned of the salary retention so i dont feel good about it anymore, i thought Jones would get us 16th from Edmonton too but, again, didn't happen. Oh well, free agency is gonna be interesting, that much is definitely clear.

 

[Fire Sweeney]

It is now obvious that Pastrnak is next. Young, skilled players are not desired by this ownership.

 

[Latrappe]

People have been sure Dougie is a franchise defenseman for so long they are incapable of thinking anything else.

Sweeney might very well feel that Dougie will only be a very solid offensive defenseman for many years, but might never be a solid defender. Maybe he didn't want to pay 6.5 per for a offensive defensman for a real long term.

The return was weak, because of the Dougie hype. Sweeney, and tuns of people, have been terrified of an offer sheet for weeks. He wanted the picks this year.

I'm not sure an offer sheet was so sure. But Sweeney's actions scream it was.

Here's the thing: people were saying the word "elite" a TON regarding Hamilton, yesterday, but reality is: he's not; not now. If the Bruins really offered up to 6 per to retain Douggie's services and were rebuffed, well.... Bruins were justified to trade him. They learned from the past A.K.A Lucic situation and refused to be roughed up by an agent and the player. It simply highlights the danger of not having enough depth: player got all the leverage. That was the case with Hamilton. Bruins were almost helpless, here. Another mark in Chiarelli's legacy...

 

[ashnathan]

It is now obvious that Pastrnak is next. Young, skilled players are not desired by this ownership.

Disagree. Pasta/Spooner are gonna be the kids that stick around and in 5 years from now will be part of the core.

 

[PatriceBergeron]

Here's the thing: people were saying the word "elite" a TON regarding Hamilton, yesterday, but reality is: he's not; not now. If the Bruins really offered up to 6 per to retain Douggie's services and were rebuffed, well.... Bruins were justified to trade him. They learned from the past A.K.A Lucic situation and refused to be roughed up by an agent and the player. It simply highlights the danger of not having enough depth: player got all the leverage. That was the case with Hamilton. Bruins were almost helpless, here. Another mark in Chiarelli's legacy...

Dougie Hamilton is regarded as an elite hockey prospect in the National Hockey League. That trade and our picks are why all other fan bases are laughing at us and coming in here saying how sorry they feel for us...

They were not helpless. They had the cap space to sign him. They could have gotten more. They could have made the sensible draft choices. They went 0 for 3.

 

[Over the volcano]

Worse than the Seguin trade.

The kessel trade made people give up on *****ing about the Thornton trade
The seguin trade made people give up *****ing about the kessel trade
Does the Hamilton trade mean we don't have to ***** about the seguin trade anymore?

 

[Latrappe]

Dougie Hamilton is regarded as an elite hockey prospect in the National Hockey League. That trade and our picks are why all other fan bases are laughing at us and coming in here saying how sorry they feel for us...

They were not helpless. They had the cap space to sign him. They could have gotten more. They could have made the sensible draft choices. They went 0 for 3.

And you would have paid 6.5 to 7 per to retain him? Without knowing if the guy would turn into a legit #1? Because as today, Hamilton is not "elite"; far from it. You're right that some teams might see him as "elite" but it only added to Hamilton's leverage against the team. If you add the lack of depth, it's easy to understand why Hamilton's agent refused to sign for 6 per ( if it's true that the Bruins offered that ). And no, the Bruins couldn't gotten much more because there's no way a GM would have give Sweeney assets when they only thing he had to do was to submit an offer sheet and lose the picks related to that offer.

 

[PatriceBergeron]

And you would have paid 6.5 to 7 per to retain him? Without knowing if the guy would turn into a legit #1? Because as today, Hamilton is not "elite"; far from it. You're right that some teams might see him as "elite" but it only added to Hamilton's leverage against the team. If you add the lack of depth, it's easy to understand why Hamilton's agent refused to sign for 6 per ( if it's true that the Bruins offered that ). And no, the Bruins couldn't gotten much more because there's no way a GM would have give Sweeney assets when they only thing he had to do was to submit an offer sheet and lose the picks related to that offer.

Anything up to 7.3M I would have been willing to match. After that get the 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd if a team wants to offer sheet him. The Bruins are so weak at D they had to be willing to pay a premium to keep him. Especially when extra money could've been there from the Lucic trade or the ridiculous McQuaid resigning.

I'm not even as mad about the Hamilton trade as I am the draft picks. Barzal and Connor were absolute gifts. They should not have been there but Dallas and San Jose slightly reached on Meier and Guryanov. And you get NEITHER of them? Zboril, Barzal, and Connor would've made this day so much easier to swallow.

 

[Fire Sweeney]

And you would have paid 6.5 to 7 per to retain him? Without knowing if the guy would turn into a legit #1? Because as today, Hamilton is not "elite"; far from it. You're right that some teams might see him as "elite" but it only added to Hamilton's leverage against the team. If you add the lack of depth, it's easy to understand why Hamilton's agent refused to sign for 6 per ( if it's true that the Bruins offered that ). And no, the Bruins couldn't gotten much more because there's no way a GM would have give Sweeney assets when they only thing he had to do was to submit an offer sheet and lose the picks related to that offer.

So you prefer paying over $6m for a 3rd pairing of Krug and McQuaid ? We're still without a 1st pairing D and a 2nd pairing D after all this.

 

[Latrappe]

So you prefer paying over $6m for a 3rd pairing of Krug and McQuaid ? We're still without a 1st pairing D and a 2nd pairing D after all this.

No, I'm not. Not a fan at all of the McQuaid signing; not when you have young, low-cost guy like Miller who can do the same job. Krug? Very useful on the PP; one of the rare case where you have to pony up for a PP specialist. Off-season not over; fully expect the Bruins to trade for a D-man soon.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

Worse than the Seguin trade.

There was a logic behind the Seguin trade.

Giving away a 22y #1D for picks is beyond stupid. Still can't believe it happened...

 

[Gator Mike]

As said by others truly a horrible day. Worst day of GMing I have ever witnessed.

I thought Lucic needed to be moved but I can't imagine that was the best returnee could get.

Probably somewhat hamstrung the limited NTC. I'm sure many of teams that could afford Lucic weren't places that Milan wanted to go. And if his agent was smart, I'm sure teams that the Bruins didn't want to trade him to were not on that list - places like Montreal and Tampa and Florida.

Also, I'm in the camp that doesn't see Dougie as a "franchise" player. The Bruins have been very good at not hitching their wagons to show ponies, so to speak. I think there are players in this league that are very difficult to win with if they're consistently your best, highest-paid guys. Joe Thornton is one, and so is Phil Kessel. I saw some signs that Dougie was a bit of a "show pony", so to speak.

Doesn't excuse not getting nearly enough in return, but it could work out in the long run.