Fitness and Nutrition, Rep VI

[Andrei79]

People are also spending lots of money on urban farming. I guess growing food on farms is also not sustainable.

And for the record even when there is lab grown meat lots of people would still want "real" meat just like people want "organic" stuff.

Urban farming's a hobby a found last year.

It's a treat to do and the food quality is tough to beat.

I ended up with 15-25lbs of tomatoes from each of my 6 plants. This year, I have to give out english cucumbers every day because I'm overproducing. Once my onions are ripe, I guess I won't buy any vegetables from the groceries for a few weeks.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Nothing is sustainable at our current level of population. Its not the agriculture that isn't sustainable, it's the population.

The worlds cattle alone eat enough to food to feed 8.7 billion people.

 

[Kriss E]

The moment it becomes cheaper than factory farmed meat every fast food chain on the planet will switch to it, I have little doubt of that. And it really isn't that far off.

The idea of having lab meat isn't to eliminate farming entirely. It's to reduce the overproduction.

 

[Sorinth]

Sure, as long as their are selfish rich people there will always be a market for bad things... but the vast majority of the population will be eating lab grown meat very soon....

So buying organic is selfish? That's a new one.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

The idea of having lab meat isn't to eliminate farming entirely. It's to reduce the overproduction.

I really don't doubt that. But I believe factory farming represents over 90% of the worlds farmed meat, and the moment lab meat becomes cheaper, it'll replace all that meat. The other 10% at that point will be luxury meat.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

So buying organic is selfish? That's a new one.

Choosing to eat meat that kills animals and harms the planet when there is a genetically identical alternative would be selfish, yes.

 

[Mrb1p]

The worlds cattle alone eat enough to food to feed 8.7 billion people.

Thats fine and all when you look at calories only. There's a reason why people don't eat like cattle though.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Thats fine and all when you look at calories only. There's a reason why people don't eat like cattle though.

When talking about feeding starving people why wouldn't we look at calories only lol

Cattle vast majority of cattle eat soy, corn, and grains. All good foods we could eat.

 

[Sorinth]

Because we could discuss poultry as well? Also, how come you didn't call out Mrp1 for his "bias" for bringing up rice when that isn't even less relevant to a protein vs protein discussion?

You mean when he showed a graph containing soybeans, beans, peas, wheat, maize, rice, potatoes, cauliflower?

 

[Mrb1p]

When talking about feeding starving people why wouldn't we look at calories only lol

Implying everybody is starving, implying people starving couldn't be fed with the overconsumption... implying a lot of crap I must say..

 

[Sorinth]

Choosing to eat meat that kills animals and harms the planet when there is a genetically identical alternative would be selfish, yes.

And using that logic doing anything except committing suicide is selfish since your very existence harms the planet.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

You mean when he showed a graph containing soybeans, beans, peas, wheat, maize, rice, potatoes, cauliflower?

The post that started this discussion was this:

But youre going to need a **** load of it to hit your macros or even your EAA requirements.

And were back to square one, using more land mass than beef or chicken with peas or rice, or lacking EAA's and getting poor liver protein synthesis.


FIRE IN THE HOLE. I just sparked the vegan fire.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Implying everybody is starving, implying people starving couldn't be fed with the overconsumption... implying a lot of crap I must say..

We're talking sustainability for a growing population are we not? How are you dismissing the fact we could feed 8.7 billion people with the food we are feeding cows?

 

[Mrb1p]

The post that started this discussion was this:

And I showed you the graph that proved this

 

[Sorinth]

The post that started this discussion was this:

So he gave two examples, and then a general example. That's your arugment?

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

And using that logic doing anything except committing suicide is selfish since your very existence harms the planet.

Humans including myself are animals. I simply believe using our intellect to sustain ourselves is the way to go...

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Take the vegan discussion somewhere else.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

And I showed you the graph that proved this

NOONES TALKING ABOUT RICE

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Take the vegan discussion somewhere else.

What thread is more suitable than this?

 

[Mrb1p]

We're talking sustainability for a growing population are we not? How are you dismissing the fact we could feed 8.7 billion people with the food we are feeding cows?

Every scientific study ever agrees that the population is not sustainable, unless we all start living kumbaya-butt-naked-grass-eating-living in hutts (Then that will decrease population.) Keep fighting the bad fight.

 

[Mrb1p]

Take the vegan discussion somewhere else.

Why isn't this appropriate as a thread ?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Why isn't this appropriate as a thread ?

1. In the many iterations of this thread, this discussion never ends well. Been there done that.
2. That discussion winds up hijacking the rest of the discussion in this thread.
3. I'm tired of consistently banning the same people for fighting over this.

Move onto something else.

 

[DAChampion]

The worlds cattle alone eat enough to food to feed 8.7 billion people.

But then the cow population would go down.

;-)

 

[DAChampion]

Take the vegan discussion somewhere else.

At your request, I will not discuss the ethics and environmental issues associated with food consumption.

I will still compare different protein sources though, and that sort of thing.

 

[MasterD]

Choosing to eat meat that kills animals and harms the planet when there is a genetically identical alternative would be selfish, yes.

Lab-grown meat will not grow out of thin air, a bunch of chemicals and nutrients will still be used to produce that meat... I'm pretty sure pasture raised and organic cattle isn't more harmful for the environment than whatever process will be required for lab-grown.

[taking out moral comment in accordance to new thread rule]