Fitness and Nutrition, Rep VI

[DramaticGloveSave]

But youre going to need a **** load of it to hit your macros or even your EAA requirements.

And were back to square one, using more land mass than beef or chicken with peas or rice, or lacking EAA's and getting poor liver protein synthesis.


FIRE IN THE HOLE. I just sparked the vegan fire.

Brah your numbers are non existent.

 

[Mrb1p]

Brah your numbers are non existent.

My numbers ?

Essential amino acids: master regulators of nutrition and environmental footprint?

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Land use per gram of protein, by food type

Also Pulses (soy, lentils, chickpeas etc) require 5 gallons of water per gram of protein. Beef? 30 gallons.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

My numbers ?

Essential amino acids: master regulators of nutrition and environmental footprint?

Convenient of you to make this comp using rice despite no one mentioning it but you. I only brought up peas as an example. But the real comp should be between soy and beef since soy is what they are actually feeding the cows and thus the food we could be eating ourselves instead. It's not like people are replacing beef in their diets with rice either.

 

[Kriss E]

1 cup of oats has 26.4 grams of protein and 607 calories. To get up to 100 grams of protein a day, you'd need to eat 2300 calories a day. Both are reasonable numbers.

I'd say that oats are a protein-neutral good. Adding oats to your diet this neither makes it easier for harder to reach a protein goal within reasonable calorie needs.

But neutral foods are good foods, as you need to eat.

With 4x the amount of Carbs vs Pro. You are talking bland oats here, which taste like crap. You'd have to at least add a bit of fruits and cinnanom, raising the carbs intake a bit. If you add maple syrup like many do, then that will spike it real high.

 

[Kriss E]

Land use per gram of protein, by food type

Also Pulses (soy, lentils, chickpeas etc) require 5 gallons of water per gram of protein. Beef? 30 gallons.

..So?

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

With 4x the amount of Carbs vs Pro. You are talking bland oats here, which taste like crap. You'd have to at least add a bit of fruits and cinnanom, raising the carbs intake a bit. If you add maple syrup like many do, then that will spike it real high.

Oats are just one example as a food that has protein. I put 2/3 cup of oats in my smoothie for example, I don't live off the damn things.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

..So?

Mrp1 or whatever his name is the one who turned this into an environmental discussion.

 

[Kriss E]

Absolutely. I hit 150g per day without trying, can get up to 200 quite easily too.

I wouldn't say it's easy, at all. The norm has a tough time hitting 100g of proteins.
Fruits and cereals or toasts in the morning.
Chicken with veggies for lunch.
Pasta for dinner.
Snack consisting of chips, cookies, veggies, fruits, nuts.

I'd say this represents how most people eat pretty often. They're not hitting 100g of proteins.

 

[Mrb1p]

Mrp1 or whatever his name is the one who turned this into an environmental discussion.

You do realize its going to take more water to achieve the same nutritional value as beef/chicken, right ?

 

[Kriss E]

Oats are just one example as a food that has protein. I put 2/3 cup of oats in my smoothie for example, I don't live off the damn things.

I was responding to DA's numbers. I know you eat a various number of foods.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

You do realize its going to take more water to achieve the same nutritional value as beef/chicken, right ?

It's literally a 6:1 advantage for pulses on a protein basis, and that what we're discussing right?

 

[DAChampion]

I can make the plot tomorrow. What's the request:

Grams of each essential amino acid per 100 calories for beef, chicken breast, yogurt, oats, soy, and green peas?

Could be useful to actually see.

 

[habsfan909]

What's your favorite cheat meal and at which frequency do you take one?

I like to take one per week and my go-to place is generally A&W or McDonald's

It's funny if I'm not watching what I eat (but still healthy) I never want McD's. As soon as I start cutting like I am now, I crave it all the time. I try to fit it into my daily macros if I really need it - I'm pretty strong into 90/10 as long as it fits the daily macros it's not a real cheat (that will cut your fat loss).

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I can make the plot tomorrow. What's the request:

Grams of each essential amino acid per 100 calories for beef, chicken breast, yogurt, oats, soy, and green peas?

Could be useful to actually see.

In regards to land use? That'll be tough to do I imagine.

 

[Kriss E]

Just bought some organic plant based protein powder from MP, man it's nasty.

 

[Kriss E]

It's funny if I'm not watching what I eat (but still healthy) I never want McD's. As soon as I start cutting like I am now, I crave it all the time. I try to fit it into my daily macros if I really need it - I'm pretty strong into 90/10 as long as it fits the daily macros it's not a real cheat (that will cut your fat loss).

Classic. You want what you can't have.

 

[Kriss E]

In regards to land use? That'll be tough to do I imagine.

For each essential amino acids ya, but as a whole, isn't that what Mr1's quoted study is about?
"In conclusion, our data show that the concept of the “environmental footprint” associated to the production of animal vs. vegetal protein-containing food products, needs to be re-evaluated on the basis of the content of essential amino acids in foods. The production of protein-containing animal foods would retain a (much) lower environmental impact than that previously estimated, approximately lying within the range of that of most foods of vegetal origin, because of the higher quality of animal proteins. These considerations might be useful in the political planning of the food production system, aiming at providing sufficient food for humans in the near future."

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

For each essential amino acids ya, but as a whole, isn't that what Mr1's quoted study is about?
"In conclusion, our data show that the concept of the “environmental footprint” associated to the production of animal vs. vegetal protein-containing food products, needs to be re-evaluated on the basis of the content of essential amino acids in foods. The production of protein-containing animal foods would retain a (much) lower environmental impact than that previously estimated, approximately lying within the range of that of most foods of vegetal origin, because of the higher quality of animal proteins. These considerations might be useful in the political planning of the food production system, aiming at providing sufficient food for humans in the near future."

Well I don't know how someone would really be able to calculate that accurately, but on a land use per gram of protein basis, it's quite clear that beef requires way more land/water/CO2 than pulses....

Our World in Data is a great site for such information, and you can see just how much more land use is required per gram of protein here: Land use per gram of protein, by food type

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Sure it's more efficient to get your protein from say eggs than lettuce, but that's a silly discussion, noone is replacing their eggs with lettuce. Folks replace their protein with protein, it's generally pulses/beans, and as we can see it is just a ridiculously more efficient protein source from an environmental perspective (and healthier).

 

[Mrb1p]

Sure it's more efficient to get your protein from say eggs than lettuce, but that's a silly discussion, noone is replacing their eggs with lettuce. Folks replace their protein with protein, it's generally pulses/beans, and as we can see it is just a ridiculously more efficient protein source from an environmental perspective (and healthier).

You havent even checked the study I linked

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

You havent even checked the study I linked

While you've completely dismantled the data I posted....

And I did, and I already addressed it with the comment:

But the real comp should be between soy and beef since soy is what they are actually feeding the cows and thus the food we could be eating ourselves instead. It's not like people are replacing beef in their diets with rice either.

And clearly Soy pwned everything easily in every capacity.

 

[Mrb1p]

While you've completely dismantled the data I posted....

And I did, and I already addressed it with the comment:



And clearly Soy pwned everything easily in every capacity.

Soy is pretty good, I agree, but soy requires transformation that brings it to meh levels too.

I'll say it again, unless youre sourcing locally, you are not doing enough no matter what you eat.

 

[Sorinth]

Land use per gram of protein, by food type

Also Pulses (soy, lentils, chickpeas etc) require 5 gallons of water per gram of protein. Beef? 30 gallons.

Looking strictly and m² is a fairly meaningless measure when talking about environmental impact. For example the CO2 produced is much more important then acreage used and for sure beef is way ahead everything else in that category. But on the flip side having a plowed field for growing crops vs a field for grazing field will increase soil erosion, so that's a plus for having animals. You'd also have to factor in things like where farms will get their fertilizers if the availability of cow manure was drastically reduced, how increased pesticide use would impact the environment, etc...

There's a lot more complexity to it then looking at a couple charts and saying this is better then that.

 

[Mrb1p]

Looking strictly and m² is a fairly meaningless measure when talking about environmental impact. For example the CO2 produced is much more important then acreage used and for sure beef is way ahead everything else in that category. But on the flip side having a plowed field for growing crops vs a field for grazing field will increase soil erosion, so that's a plus for having animals. You'd also have to factor in things like where farms will get their fertilizers if the availability of cow manure was drastically reduced, how increased pesticide use would impact the environment, etc...

There's a lot more complexity to it then looking at a couple charts and saying this is better then that.

It all matters, the space used to grow could be used for something else too.