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Yeah meant MacLean. Liked Allen quite a bit. Newell Brown too. That’d be a great duo of assistants right there.
Gotta agree with this one.
Yeah meant MacLean. Liked Allen quite a bit. Newell Brown too. That’d be a great duo of assistants right there.
Mea culpa I suppose, for expecting there to be a relationship between your posting the score and the subject of the thread it was posted in. Had you posted it in the general NHL thread, I doubt I would have thought twice.Nope.... just posting a score. Relevancy being we just played both teams back to back. I figured it to be much closer than that
We'll see how much more skating this system entails next season should Tocchet remain. The player tracking should have that data and since it's quite straightforward I'd imagine it'll be publicly available. It's a good point and I'd bet you're right on how that works out for player exertion.It's the system. It asks them to skate full tilt nearly the entire game. There is rarely if ever any calm cycling and their offensive possession time totals must be among the lowest in the league per game. That's a lot of time chasing.
Only a few guys look anything like out of shape. Jakob Chychrun is not hurt because he's out of shape, for instance.
I always hated playing with a guy who thought he was the coach during the game. Listening to the best player was tolerable but an average guy yapping did nothing for me.He is responsible defensively. Knows where to be on the ice and sounds like a surrogate coach out on the ice. Hard to do your own job and the coach's job.
I always hated playing with a guy who thought he was the coach during the game. Listening to the best player was tolerable but an average guy yapping did nothing for me.
I know why they did the deal, and I understand at the time we needed Stepan. What we thought we got and what we got was two different players. The last two years Stepan has played so far under his pay grade it's crazy. Our C strength is terrible then, and it's terrible now. Thank the good lord DVO is starting to show signs of being a good #2.Yep, quite the humorous situation when your pick from that draft leaves the team...
Aside from that, yes, I understand that we gave up the #7 OA pick and Deangelo for Stepan and Raanta. If anyone in their right mind interprets Stepan as the value of the #7 OA pick, then you don't understand trade value. Deangelo was not going to do anything for us - he was talented, but we wouldn't put up with the attitude.
Stepan was bridging the gap for Strome. Would it have been incorrect for our C depth to be envisioned as something like this:
2017-18 season: Stepan/Strome/Dvorak/Richardson
2018-19 season: Strome/Stepan/Dvorak/Richardson
2019-20 season: Strome/Dvorak/Stepan/Richardson
Guess what? Strome didn't pan out for us. The replacement is Schmaltz, who is not a natural C. Perfect world, Strome develops into a useful player for us and he overtakes Stepan and Dvorak. Because he doesn't do that, Stepan has to play bigger minutes than we may even want him to. Sorry he is the option because Strome didn't work here.
I could not have said it any better.He's laughing all the way to the bank. Earning that wage to be a bottom 6 center, with a superfriend HC that doesn't ask you to actually DO anything but still curates your TOI and utilization to put you in "prestige" slots like PP and OT deployment despite little to no contribution in return.
Guy is living the dream, man... "Help" is the probably the last thing he cares about.
Hire him! Bring the former Roadrunner back to the valley. Coach for a few years then retire here.Per Russo's interview with Boudreau after his firing...
"The 65-year-old made it clear Sunday that he plans to coach again in the NHL, and has no plans to wait.
“If I could coach yesterday, I’d do it,” Boudreau said. “I get mad, and instead of feeling sorry for myself, I want to get right back into it. In the past, I’ve gotten lucky that I got back into it right away. When I came here four years ago, I hoped this was my last job. I hoped to be here 10 years. It didn’t work out that way, but I know I can still coach.”
I know why they did the deal, and I understand at the time we needed Stepan. What we thought we got and what we got was two different players. The last two years Stepan has played so far under his pay grade it's crazy. Our C strength is terrible then, and it's terrible now. Thank the good lord DVO is starting to show signs of being a good #2.
Rick Tocchet seems like he'd be a good to great assistant coach.
I don't think he's a good head coach.
The only reason his TOI is down is because of Hall. Before Hall, Stepan had more TOI than any forward. I didn't say he was a horrible liability, but as a 1C he is a liability. He is a 3C relative to his play. It's obvious last year was more than an off year.But it's okay, because he is getting paid based on what he did in the past and not what we are banking on for the future
I am agreeing with you, but again, it's not like we aren't taking that direction. He used to play over 19 minutes per game the last two seasons. Down to under 18 now. Yet, his possession metrics in the Relative % category have been positive. So, somehow, whatever he is doing on the ice is actually helping possession. This is with his lowest offensive zone starts in his entire career.
I think we are doing exactly what we had planned to do. If Strome pans out, maybe he gets the Keller money starting this year, and Keller get the Schmaltz money. Keller's strong rookie year, combined with Strome just not working paved the way for the money situation to reverse and us have to re-think C options. Stepan was considered a stop-gap that would help these players reach #1 and 2 status in Strome and Dvorak. In the meantime, as things didn't go down that way, and Stepan had to play bigger minutes, Stepan's underlying numbers don't state that he is a horrible liability, as you claim.
The only reason his TOI is down is because of Hall. Before Hall, Stepan had more TOI than any forward. I didn't say he was a horrible liability, but as a 1C he is a liability. He is a 3C relative to his play. It's obvious last year was more than an off year.
You just don't get it, do you. RT finally wised up and decided DVO is a much better player than beer drinking Stepan and put him with Hall. Garland also finally moved up to play with Hall, and it has resulted in our best line. So, to answer your question, Hall did force line up changes. It forced Stepan to 3C where he belongs.Interesting take considering Hall is a wing and Stepan is a center. But I get it. Hall coming in forced some line shuffling.
You just don't get it, do you. RT finally wised up and decided DVO is a much better player than beer drinking Stepan and put him with Hall. Garland also finally moved up to play with Hall, and it has resulted in our best line. So, to answer your question, Hall did force line up changes. It forced Stepan to 3C where he belongs.
Well you first said Hall was THE reason. Now you say Tocchet “wised up”.
Then again it could also have been the plan all along to make that move when Chayka was able to find a top line winger because they discovered Kessel wasn’t working out there.
Can somebody talk to our owner?
maybe he can get chayka to change the coach?
tocchet can be Assistant but please we need a motivator in that room.
Somebody to get those guys give their best.
I think an owner that comes in and makes a couple of big acquisitions, pushing the team to the cap limit, has different expectations than our previous three owners who saw the team as a combination investment and vanity project.
Meruelo expects to win. He'll figure out whether or not he has the right leadership in place. Our fate is sealed for this season, but once it ends I expect changes will be made.
The Florida broadcast crew last night praised the team GMJC built and the great coaching by RT, but if you build what's expected to be a playoff team and don't make it, you must do some critical thinking on the reasons and solutions.