Fire Tocchet #2
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I don't think Armstrong is going to coach the team, but I think he's going to have his nose everywhere, looking under every rug to find out what dust has been swept under it, including in the lockerroom. I think he's going to be very involved and visible even in the lockerroom the first half of the season in a way that Chayka never could have, and it will light a fire under the ass of the right people, and make the other ones nervous.
The pressure poor Chayka felt by ownership "micromanaging" him, is going to be nothing compared to what people are going to think of Bill Armstrong as he attempts to find the right people for the right roles. Top to bottom.
The pressure poor Chayka felt by ownership "micromanaging" him, is going to be nothing compared to what people are going to think of Bill Armstrong as he attempts to find the right people for the right roles. Top to bottom.
I was kidding when I said he was going to coach. Lamoriello did it twice, once when the coach resigned, and then the second time with next to no time left in the season so there wasn't any one to come in and replace him (I don't know why an assistant didn't just fill-in as interim.
Anyway, what I was more getting at is that I think it's unlikely he fires Tocchet before the season. I don't care for it due to past performance, but it's reasonable for a new GM to come in and get to watch things so I see no need to dwell on it. The positive notes said by Armstrong to me just indicate that this is exactly his plan. You start with a new slate under him and he's not going to say anything negative in the media. As for those he fired in operations, they likely were tied to the previous violations, and if not, they came in his 90 page plan where he needs individuals to be more inline with his style. Coaching doesn't fall into that as neatly.
I also doubt he micromanages per se, but do think he'll have a better eye on things and better way to evaluate the coaching since he's personally experienced in and has been in management long enough to have gone through multiple iterations of coaches. So I don't doubt he'll make a change when it's necessary.
Finally, since it does look like Tocchet is here for the time being, I hope Armstrong can foster a better relationship than Chayka did, though I didn't hear they had issues, yet I think Armstrong can be a better wall for Tocchet to bounce ideas off of.
Anyway, what I was more getting at is that I think it's unlikely he fires Tocchet before the season. I don't care for it due to past performance, but it's reasonable for a new GM to come in and get to watch things so I see no need to dwell on it. The positive notes said by Armstrong to me just indicate that this is exactly his plan. You start with a new slate under him and he's not going to say anything negative in the media. As for those he fired in operations, they likely were tied to the previous violations, and if not, they came in his 90 page plan where he needs individuals to be more inline with his style. Coaching doesn't fall into that as neatly.
I also doubt he micromanages per se, but do think he'll have a better eye on things and better way to evaluate the coaching since he's personally experienced in and has been in management long enough to have gone through multiple iterations of coaches. So I don't doubt he'll make a change when it's necessary.
Finally, since it does look like Tocchet is here for the time being, I hope Armstrong can foster a better relationship than Chayka did, though I didn't hear they had issues, yet I think Armstrong can be a better wall for Tocchet to bounce ideas off of.
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Firing RT and bringing back Allen and MVR would be sick
I predicted mid week OEL was staying, likely for good now. I also think RT is going to get fired now, as BA gets to the bottom of the core problem with coaching.
There is not one reason why RT is still our coach, absolutely none.
I wonder if BA might bring in an assistant coach to replace RT if the season starts off bad.
I don't know what the real problem was between Allen and RT that led to RT not retaining him (would have been nice to have "the insider" scoop..lol) but from my vantage point, Allen did a great job with the defense. And certainly better than MacLean or Housley.
Kinda of odd last year that you had a former defenseman running the forwards and a former forward running the defense. No wonder we are saying fire RT.
It really pains me to say fire RT because he was a great player. That said, so was Gretzky...lol.
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Permit me a rant here...
I really liked Tocchet as a player, specifically early in his career with the Flyers. The NHL was very much in an era of very physical play, and players like Tocchet, Mark Recchi, JR, Doug Gilmour, etc. were stars.
A lot of this I'm certain is me, as I tend to lean towards being unfairly unsympathetic towards people who engage in hardcore gambling...but I lost a LOT of respect for the guy when that whole thing came to light, and it's been very hard to look at him the same way since. On top of that, many of his hires appear thinly veiled cronyism, which is equally distasteful.
I'd love nothing more for him to be successful as the HC in Arizona, and I'm admittedly being rather judgy...but I'd really rather just see someone else in the position.
I really liked Tocchet as a player, specifically early in his career with the Flyers. The NHL was very much in an era of very physical play, and players like Tocchet, Mark Recchi, JR, Doug Gilmour, etc. were stars.
A lot of this I'm certain is me, as I tend to lean towards being unfairly unsympathetic towards people who engage in hardcore gambling...but I lost a LOT of respect for the guy when that whole thing came to light, and it's been very hard to look at him the same way since. On top of that, many of his hires appear thinly veiled cronyism, which is equally distasteful.
I'd love nothing more for him to be successful as the HC in Arizona, and I'm admittedly being rather judgy...but I'd really rather just see someone else in the position.
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Allen has a brain, RT has just enough to realize Allen could easily out coach him.
Insecurity.
Money, might not want to pay 2 coaches. Like I said, pretty sure we will move on from RT shortly
If we move on from RT like you mentioned, and I hope we do, we would still be paying 2 coaches.Money, might not want to pay 2 coaches. Like I said, pretty sure we will move on from RT shortly
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I’d be shocked if Tocchet is fired before the season starts. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he’s extended. Disappointed? Absolutely. Surprised? Not at all.Money, might not want to pay 2 coaches. Like I said, pretty sure we will move on from RT shortly
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I think the tide is changing with OEL staying. BA has a lot on his plate and might stick with RT for now and into the beginning of the season. BA might not have had enough time yet to select a new coach, might be taking his time a bit here. BA isn't going to keep RT because he respects Berube and they are best buds. You get very few chances to be GM, can't see RT staying for long or being extended. Chayka/Barroway picked RT, not AM.
It will be a, we want to thank RT but are going a different direction. It could be an early season move, again, depends on what BA is looking for in candidates. Also depends on if AM will eat RTs salary. I do think its smart for BA to think through who the new coach should be more so then when he hires him. I'm almost 100% confident a coaching change is coming before the TDL, OEL staying solidify's it.
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No. This is by far the must unified I’ve seen this sub forum on any given topic in my 16 years of posting here.
