Also, a 2nd round pick is not a late pick. A 5th and 6th doesn’t excite me, but a second is fine. If you’re rebuilding, take the picks. You can still fill out your roster easily enough.
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BonHoonLayneCornell
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Wow, that's pretty shocking to see clarified so precisely.
I mean I assumed like 90% of these guys are spoiled d bags, but that sounds pretty toxic.
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lol what exactly do you call this then? because there's surely no direction here and will lead to a rebuild if they haven't already called it that.
Yeah, a rebuild is an awful idea. Making the playoffs every second year is clearly a better plan.
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I forgot people around here actually believe that burning it down and "rebuilding" is a valid strategy.
Rebuilding works sometimes, but not always. Ideally we would have stuck with our 2011 rebuild, but we didn’t.
I’m for building around Karlsson, Duchene and Stone, but I’m not sure that will happen. I’m preparing for Karlsson to leave. I don’t want it, but that’s what I think will happen.
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Until an EK trade happens, there is no need for a teardown.
IF Melnyk lowballs and then trades EK, I really hope they attach Ryan to the deal and kill the return. It will make it so much easier to get protests going.
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It certainly won't work if we keep getting terrible returns on our best players.
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Patrick O'Sullivan is also saying that Karlsson is disliked in the room according to his follow up response to questions on his tweet.
That would be a bit of a turn of events.
That would be a bit of a turn of events.
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Exactly. What do we hope to achieve in a rebuild? Acquire one of the best players in the league? We already have that. We need to fix the locker room issues and fill our holes. We have a great 1C and 1RW, and the best defenseman in the world. We can build around that.
Absolutely, but what if Karlsson doesn’t want to stay? Losing him next summer for nothing is not an option. It’s either re-sign him or trade him.
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I read the same thing, but didn't want to install iTunes just to listen to the podcast and confirm.
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Well it was his tweet response so i wasnt even sure it was said on air. Someone asked him who is disliked and he said both Hoffman and Karlsson essentially.
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BonHoonLayneCornell
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Huh, i didnt see that one. Seems he also said it on air I guess.
I have no idea to his credibility however. This day and age i dont know who and/or what to believe.
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If he tells the Sens he's testing free agency and won't extend with anyone, then I keep him to the TDL before moving him.
His value won't change significantly.
He'll help the Sens in the standings and depress the value of the pick the Avs hold.
The Sens may be sold and he might choose to re-sign at that point.
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You can delay this decision if you want though. We could hold on to Karlsson and re-assess as the trade deadline nears - Karlsson probably retains the majority of his value in this scenario. Lebrun floated this idea on TSN today as something the Sens are apparently kicking around internally. Make of that what you will I guess.
If Dorion is worried about that 2019 pick, this is probably his only real avenue for mitigation. We know Melnyk isn't going to open the vault and allow him to bring in players [read: money], so having a healthy Karlsson play ~60 games is probably the best chance they have to reduce the odds of punting off a high lottery pick.
Just something to think about.
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That scenario could turn out hilariously bad in so many ways. Dorion sells more futures to avoid further embarrassment, misses the playoffs anyways, doesn't trade Karlsson or Duchene at the deadline cause we're a few points in or out or either of them are injured. Duchene and Karlsson walk anyways. LOL I could actually picture that happening.
That pick is sunk cost, they can't burn the organization down even more just to spite Colorado. Well, I guess they can but they really shouldn't.
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It would be insanely risky to start the year with Karlsson not having signed an extension.
So much so, I'd say it would be borderline stupid to do it.
So much so, I'd say it would be borderline stupid to do it.
Apparently Dorion has crunched the numbers and found that upkeep costs for the Spartacat mascot are untenable. Fret not, a replacement has already been named.
...wake me up when the Sens are in the playoffs
...wake me up when the Sens are in the playoffs
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A rebuild would be plausible if after 2 years of momentum like the Leafs have ,we wouldn't have to dump some emerging talent because Cheapo doesn't have any cash or a willingness to sell assets to try for greatness at the expense of his dreamy dollar per point glory train. Get rid of HE Who Causes 3000 Empty Seats a Game, and it could be considered, but if we hit the skill lottery on Formenton/Batherson/Brown/our 4th/Gustafsson, and have jettisoned all the other top end skill, then we are looking at 5 years of poop, minimum.
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