Fire Pierre Dorion

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Can we get one of these going? Who wants to provide the detailed play by play of his incompetency? I think everyone here is onboard that he needs to go, what happened today should be the final straw.

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[Fandlauer]

There's zero point in doing this until we get a new owner.

 

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There's zero point in doing this until we get a new owner.

I generally agree with that, but he is actively destroying the team. I doubt he has a job elsewhere after the team sells (whenever they do). He should resign to save his own ass in the future.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Melnyk needs to go before any of this matters.

 

[Byron Bitz]

He should go back be being a director of amateur scouting. He was good at that.

 

[Hellraising Senator]

Man people are so clueless. Sens save 5.3 million on this deal. A deal that had to happen. Do you think this is really what Dorion wanted? Doubtful. He's a job to do and he's paid to do it. His hands are tied. You think you would do better with Eugene? Maybe you are oblivious to how many great hockey minds have come and gone thank to Eugene. He is just doing what he has to do keep his pay check. Can you really blame him? I sure don't. Even if I'd like better deals etc it's truly not his fault the Ottawa mess.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

It takes a special talent as GM to look even adequate under Melnyk's tight pocketstrings and micromanaging. Pierre Dorion is most definitely not that talented individual. I'd love to keep him on in a scouting role of some kind, but he seems more and more, with each passing day, to perfectly embody the Peter Principle.

 

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Man people are so clueless. Send save 5.3 million on this deal. A deal that had to happen. Do you think this is really what Dorian wanted? Doubtful. He's a job to do and he's paid to do it. His hands are tied. You think you would do better with Eugene? Maybe you are oblivious to how many great hockey minds have come and gone thank to Eugene. He is just doing what he has to do keep his pay check. Can you really blame him? I sure don't. Even if I'd like better deals etc it's truly not his fault the Ottawa mess.

If he's destroying the team to ensure he keeps getting paid, is that ethically sound? I clearly know Eugene is pulling the strings, but Eugene was not on the phone talking to Tallon and Wilson. Do you think this would happen in a Lamoriello/Poile/even guys like Shero front office?

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

Bet all of the Murray haters wish they could have him back.

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

To echo the sentiments in here:

1) Pierre should be fired.
2) Pierre won't be fired.
3) Pierre is way in over his head. Should never have been promoted to GM, let alone an AGM.
4) We all loved Pierre as a scout. Shame he is now a complete and utter laughing stock.

I wonder what he thinks when he wakes up each day. Does he actually think he's doing a good job? I mean, he must, otherwise he wouldn't have signed an extension. But I guess a GM position must pay better than a director of scouting.

Man, what a farce. Such an incredible display of incompetence at one's job.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Bet all of the Murray haters wish they could have him back.

Nah his trades were as equally bad. See Spezza.

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

If he's destroying the team to ensure he keeps getting paid, is that ethically sound? I clearly know Eugene is pulling the strings, but Eugene was not on the phone talking to Tallon and Wilson. Do you think this would happen in a Lamoriello/Poile/even guys like Shero front office?

Those guys would never work for a guy like Melnyk. Lou would tell Melnyk to f*** off, and get fired for doing so. The guys on that list would refuse to be puppets. They have pride and brains (ya, even Shero).

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Not that I disagree with you but, nah.

As long as Melnyk's signing the cheques, a better GM:

A) Won't have the tools to fix this team
B) Won't even consider working for the Sens

 

[2CHAINZ]

Man people are so clueless. Sens save 5.3 million on this deal. A deal that had to happen. Do you think this is really what Dorion wanted? Doubtful. He's a job to do and he's paid to do it. His hands are tied. You think you would do better with Eugene? Maybe you are oblivious to how many great hockey minds have come and gone thank to Eugene. He is just doing what he has to do keep his pay check. Can you really blame him? I sure don't. Even if I'd like better deals etc it's truly not his fault the Ottawa mess.

Normally I'd agree with this however the fact that the Senators keep on trading away their best talent for nothing is taking its toll. I'm not going to say this is all Dorions fault, however something has got to give this team can not keep going like this. The team obviously just needs a complete overhaul starting from the top.

 

[Very Stable Genius]

Bet all of the Murray haters wish they could have him back.

No I wish we had someone from outside the organization with a strong pedigree, like Paul Fenton. But that was/is waaay too much to ask of this tire fire.

 

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Normally I'd agree with this however the fact that the Senators keep on trading away their best talent for nothing is taking its toll. I'm not going to say this is all Dorions fault, however something has got to give this team can not keep going like this. The team obviously just needs a complete overhaul starting from the top.

That's what I am saying. Even though he is def being manipulated by Eugene, you can still not get f***ing smoked in hockey deals every single time.

 

[BonkTastic]

This is what happens when you hire an inexperienced GM and don't insulate him with experienced people who can be the voice of reason.

Dorion is a fantastic scout. He's clearly over his head as a GM. The fact that we essentially threw him to the wolves with no one to help him out is negligence at an almost criminal level.

 

[solidprospect]

Yes get rid of this clown.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

Nah his trades were as equally bad. See Spezza.

Given the circumstances he should be appreciated even more of making our organization still look competent. A bad deal on bad back Spezza is nothing compared to now.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

No I wish we had someone from outside the organization with a strong pedigree, like Paul Fenton. But that was/is waaay too much to ask of this tire fire.

Do you think Paul Fenton would have the experience to run the organization in the state that it’s in? Fenton was always a guy waiting in the Wings in Nashville to get hired somewhere, not sure how much of an impact he’d make here.

 

[starling]

Dorion is the symptom, not the cause. #MelnykOut should be the first step.

 

[dumbdick]

I question whether we were ever actually very good at scouting. Puempel, Cowen, Lee, Noesen and the Rundt trade come to mind. And the "games played" metrics of scouting are always skewed for budget teams, which are more likely to ice cheap homegrown talent. The late round homeruns look more like luck than skill.

 

[Bileur]

#melnykout then fire Dorion.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

I question whether we were ever actually very good at scouting. Puempel, Cowen, Lee, Noesen and the Rundt trade come to mind. And the "games played" metrics of scouting are always skewed for budget teams, which are more likely to ice cheap homegrown talent. The late round homeruns look more like luck than skill.

Yeah, that's something I've been thinking about lately. The 2011 draft should have been Dorion's mark on the franchise running the draft with a huge war chest and he pretty much whiffed.

We've hit on some nice late round picks, but the only guy Dorion should get credit for is Pageau.

 

[Peptic Balcers]

Honest question, how has he not quit? If all of these trades are because of Melnyk, why wouldn't he just quit? He's coming out looking like an idiot. Would you be willing to ruin your professional reputation just to appease your boss?

He gets tarred and feathered daily, just a terrible work environment