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[Styles]

Speaking of Gus, watch them trade Maatta for cap relief and bring back Gus in a 3rd pair role...

The only way to become elite is to bring Gus back. 18/24 month plan.

 

[Jay haller]

if the plan has been to get slower while making out your cap so you’ll have trouble signing your young guys, they’re killing it. How was trading for Andrew Shaw an attempt to rebuild? They traded for a one shouldered 29 year old defensemen with 3 expensive years left on his death too. Those are win now moves

andrew Shaw was supposed to play opposite Kane and Strome as the space clearing guy (brower, Bickel, handzus, anisimov) mostly but also provide some flexibility with the lineup as well. Whether it be a spot center, 3rd line energy guy,

 

[Crow]

but you are contradicting yourself in what you say the plan is/was?

but they have contradicted every direction they have tried to go. First they were building with hartman, hino, and schmaltz. They traded them all. So now they are banking on the core of Dach, Boqvist Mitchell and Debrincat to get better while hoping that a resigned(?) toews and kane will still be able to play at a high level in 3 years(?). This while trying to sell tickets and stay competitive by signing maatta shaw getting Dehaan resulting in mediocre draft picks.

They are are stuck half way. Choose a direction.

Why do you think they were building around Hartman, Hino and schmaltz? I don’t think that was the plan and if it was it didn’t work. It makes sense to try to maximize those assets for other opportunities at some point when that becomes clear. I think they had to kick the can down the road. Hino was a cap causality, Hartman was traded for a pretty nice asset (overpayment imo) and schmaltz was both a cap and hockey trade.

And do you think that core to build around is comparable to debrincat, Boqvist, Mitchell, Dach, Kubalik and Strome (who is at least on schmaltz’s level)? They may trade one or more of those pieces if they see an opportunity too.

Seems like the plan has been to retool and still is. Continue developing the above to play with Kane and Toews.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Speaking of Gus, watch them trade Maatta for cap relief and bring back Gus in a 3rd pair role...

Please no

 

[Illinihockey]

andrew Shaw was supposed to play opposite Kane and Strome as the space clearing guy (brower, Bickel, handzus, anisimov) mostly but also provide some flexibility with the lineup as well. Whether it be a spot center, 3rd line energy guy,

Andrew Shaw is 185 pounds, he isn't clearing space for anyone. That doesn't change the fact that it was a win now move, not a rebuild move.

 

[Jay haller]

Andrew Shaw is 185 pounds, he isn't clearing space for anyone. That doesn't change the fact that it was a win now move, not a rebuild move.

Yes, his size is the most important thing not his style of play.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Andrew Shaw is 185 pounds, he isn't clearing space for anyone. That doesn't change the fact that it was a win now move, not a rebuild move.

Shaw+ for Tom Wilson.

Wilson-Strome/Dach-Kane

 

[RayP]

Shaw+ for Tom Wilson.

Wilson-Strome/Dach-Kane

You could add our first round pick as the plus and Washington still says no.


Shaw has negative value. I don’t think Washington would even trade Wilson straight up for our pick.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

You could add our first round pick as the plus and Washington still says no.


Shaw has negative value. I don’t think Washington would even trade Wilson straight up for our pick.

Ya, wasn’t a serious proposal, just my wish. Forgot to add the emoji to make that clear.

 

[hawksrule]

You could add our first round pick as the plus and Washington still says no.


Shaw has negative value. I don’t think Washington would even trade Wilson straight up for our pick.

I get so tired of always having players on multi-year contracts with negative value. I mean, obviously no one likes it, but it's especially annoying that the wounds are always self-inflicted.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I get so tired of always having players on multi-year contracts with negative value. I mean, obviously no one likes it, but it's especially annoying that the wounds are always self-inflicted.

Seabrook
Shaw
and probably even de Haan with the most recent injury

 

[RayP]

I get so tired of always having players on multi-year contracts with negative value. I mean, obviously no one likes it, but it's especially annoying that the wounds are always self-inflicted.

Yeah, especially ones we already let go of, let someone else overpay, and then a few years later we gave up what two 2nd rounders to bring him back? Christ.

 

[RayP]

Seabrook
Shaw
and probably even de Haan with the most recent injury

Toews probably doesn’t have negative trade value because GMs will get so hard over what he’s accomplished..... but he sure as hell hasn’t lived up to a 10.5 cap hit.

 

[hawksrule]

Seabrook
Shaw
and probably even de Haan with the most recent injury

And Bickell before them.

 

[RayP]

And Bickell before them.

I’ll give him a pass with Bickell. We don’t know when his disease kicked in and if he was a 40-50 point regular season guy but a monster in the playoffs then he’s worth every penny and then some.

I want to say at the time of his signing, as well as Crawford’s for that matter.... was that the reaction was they were maybe signed for about 250-500K more per year than we would have liked, but nothing outrageous.

 

[hawksrule]

I’ll give him a pass with Bickell. We don’t know when his disease kicked in and if he was a 40-50 point regular season guy but a monster in the playoffs then he’s worth every penny and then some.

I want to say at the time of his signing, as well as Crawford’s for that matter.... was that the reaction was they were maybe signed for about 250-500K more per year than we would have liked, but nothing outrageous.

He never touched 40, much less 50, and had only one season of 30. We can agree to disagree on the extent of overpayment at the time of the signing, but everyone can agree he was serious negative value by the end, as evidenced by the price of moving him. It was a breath of fresh air to be rid of him, only to find ourselves in the same boat a minute later.

 

[RayP]

He never touched 40, much less 50, and had only one season of 30. We can agree to disagree on the extent of overpayment at the time of the signing, but everyone can agree he was serious negative value by the end, as evidenced by the price of moving him. It was a breath of fresh air to be rid of him, only to find ourselves in the same boat a minute later.

He was about to hit his prime and scored at a 40 point pace in the shortened regular season and then absolutely exploded in the playoffs as a 26 year old.

The next season he scored 15 and it’s not all that ridiculous to assume that’s when it kicked in. Had it not a 40-50 point regular season for him in his late 20s was not out of the question at all.

 

[Illinihockey]

Seabrook
Shaw
and probably even de Haan with the most recent injury

maatta

 

[Jay haller]

He was about to hit his prime and scored at a 40 point pace in the shortened regular season and then absolutely exploded in the playoffs as a 26 year old.

The next season he scored 15 and it’s not all that ridiculous to assume that’s when it kicked in. Had it not a 40-50 point regular season for him in his late 20s was not out of the question at all.

that offseason he had both of his knees worked on I thought my memory is sketchy

 

[Bubba88]

The Hawks already have a losing culture, they would have had a top 10 pick if the season hadn't been cut short and they let everyone in the playoffs. They missed the playoffs the season before.

They lose, but they do not have a losing culture. Want to see a losing culture and being stuck in it? Look at the Minnesota Timberwolves or no further than the Chicago Bulls. They accept losing. Look at the Oilers. They needed 3-4 years and getting rid of players like Hall to finally get out of that slump. Not to mention coaches and GMs.

Guys like Toews, Keith and Kane are needed to not get into that losing culture.

 

[BobbyJet]

They lose, but they do not have a losing culture. Want to see a losing culture and being stuck in it? Look at the Minnesota Timberwolves or no further than the Chicago Bulls. They accept losing. Look at the Oilers. They needed 3-4 years and getting rid of players like Hall to finally get out of that slump. Not to mention coaches and GMs.

Guys like Toews, Keith and Kane are needed to not get into that losing culture.

.... or do one or more of the above need to be shopped to do a proper rebuild? Money talks and Hawks have none, at least none that they can spend.

 

[deytookerjaabs]

.... or do one or more of the above need to be shopped to do a proper rebuild? Money talks and Hawks have none, at least none that they can spend.

Well, regardless of roster issues one thing a big market team can always spend top dollar on is getting the best coaching staff available in the league.

Oh, my bad.

 

[ClydeLee]

Well, regardless of roster issues one thing a big market team can always spend top dollar on is getting the best coaching staff available in the league.

Oh, my bad.

Q was the second highest paid coach for awhile wasnt he. And that doesn't sustain success

 

[deytookerjaabs]

Q was the second highest paid coach for awhile wasnt he. And that doesn't sustain success

And he was, what, the 5th or so longest tenured coach in league history? Times change.

 

[Bubba88]

.... or do one or more of the above need to be shopped to do a proper rebuild? Money talks and Hawks have none, at least none that they can spend.

short answer: Nope
longer answer: No thanks

or the smart answer: there is no "proper rebuild" in the NHL