***FINAL*** 2011-12 Qualitative +/- Ratings (see Post #1)

[tarheelhockey]

Game 67 @ Buffalo
2-3 OTL



ES GOALS FOR

1st 2:47 Spacek (McBain, Jokinen)
+1 Jokinen for the clean faceoff win
+1 McBain who made a nice soft pass to set up the one-timer
+1 Spacek for the shot
+1 LaRose because that's an easy save if not for the screen
Skinner even

2nd 5:11 LaRose (Skinner)
+1 Skinner for making Weber look like a pylon
+1 LaRose for scoring off something, even if it wasn't his stick
Jokinen, Allen, Gleason even

ES GOALS AGAINST

2nd 0:22 Myers (Kaleta, Leopold)
-1 Staal, who has GOT to get back more quickly on that play. His errant pass started the odd-man going the wrong way, and he was the only forward with a decent view of the action to realize what was going on. Yet he's 20 feet behind even Tlusty on the backcheck... Tlusty was facing the other way when the rush began!
Faulk and Harrison probably could have played that a little better, but I'm not holding it against them on a 4-on-2 rebound.
Stewart, Tlusty, Faulk, Harrison even

Totals for the game:
+2 LaRose
+1 Jokinen
+1 McBain
+1 Skinner
+1 Spacek
-1 Staal

 

[tarheelhockey]

Give Gleason the +. No way he intended to do it, but without that shot the goal isn't scored. Plain and simple.

I'd give the Canes 2nd goal a + for LaRose and Gleason, but give a - for Gleason on the Caps 1st goal. Got walked on the entry to the zone, started the whole thing.

Sounds good to me. Those changes are now reflected in the recap and the chart in post #1.

Suggestion for next year if you do end up doing it again. Rather than making the MOE slot simply a counter of disputable points, make it it's own +/-. That way, we'll have the final +/-, but then we'll actually have an idea of what it'd turn into if we incorporate the MOE. Now, we look at the MOE and see "6," and we have no idea how many of those 6 were potential pluses and how many were potential minuses. By keeping a separate +/- in the MOE category we at least know which MOE's were positive ones or negative ones, without having to go back and sift through 82 games worth of goals. Just a suggestion though...

Yeah, this occurred to me too after a few of them had been accumulated. Rather than switch formats mid-stream, I think I'll just wait till the end and then use my old friend Ctrl+F to go back through the thread and separate them out.

 

[ONO94]

I'd give the Canes 2nd goal a + for LaRose and Gleason, but give a - for Gleason on the Caps 1st goal. Got walked on the entry to the zone, started the whole thing.

A minus for keeping his man with the puck to the outside, not allowing a shot or pass, and then having the guy wrap around the other side of the net, unmolested by a standing still Stewart and puttering Tlusty. How is that Gleason's fault again?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

He gave the guy far too much space to work with. Especially with Gleason being the physical guy that he is. Going to a sweepcheck instead of playing the body was a big mistake, and as I said, it was that easy zone entry that started the whole play.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Clearly there are two ways to look at it, so I'm going to give Gleason a point in the MOE column for that one.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Clearly there are two ways to look at it, so I'm going to give Gleason a point in the MOE column for that one.

IMO, Stewart deserves one more than Gleason. He has the puck at the blue line and doesn't get it deep and turns it over. Then tries to poke it and it ends right on Brouwer's stick which initiates the whole play. That turnover and the momentum that Brouwer has is what puts the defensemen in a somewhat flat footed spot as they were coming up to join the play before the turnover.

Gleason is a little flat footed, but given where he is at that time, he has pretty good gap control and plays it right keeping Brower wide at the beginning. No way he can should try to the gap on Brouwer close to the blue line. Given how his momentum is and Brouwers, he does that and he risks getting beat badly leaving a 2 on 1. His job there is to keep the forward wide which he did. He probably could have closed the gap more as Brouwer got further into the zone and forced him wider.

Stewart's turnover though had much more to do with how that play unfolded and he deserves a - as much as anyone.

 

[tarheelhockey]

That sounds fair to me. There were so many little things wrong with that play.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Game 68 @ Tampa Bay
4-2 W




ES GOALS FOR

1st 12:29 Skinner (Jokinen, LaRose)
+1 Skinner, pretty obvious why he gets the plus here.
+1 Jokinen for a nice, quick centering pass
+1 LaRose for getting a bit lucky on that random shot
Spacek? and McBain? even

3rd 6:36 Skinner (Allen)
+1 Skinner, doing it all by himself

ES GOALS AGAINST

1st 1:20 Malone (Pyatt, Connolly)
-1 Allen, tough break but that rebound is his responsibility
Gleason, Sutter, Nodl, Dwyer even

1st 17:14 Thompson (Wyman, Hall)
-1 Staal... you can't just leave a guy standing in the slot like that
-1 Tlusty, who was wandering in the zone and still had a chance to stop Wyman's pass
Ruutu, Allen, Gleason even

Totals for the game:
+2 Skinner
+1 Jokinen
+1 LaRose
-1 Allen
-1 Staal
-1 Tlusty

 

[tarheelhockey]

Game 69 @ Florida
0-2 L



ES GOALS FOR

none

ES GOALS AGAINST

2nd 3:22 Fleischmann (Weiss, Wolski)
Not the greatest team defense on that play, but the goalie has to stop a wrist shot from above the circle.

Totals for the game:

none

 

[tarheelhockey]

Player | Plus | Minus | Total | Margin Of Error
Forwards | | | |
Drayson Bowman | 9 | 3 | +6 | 1
Zach Boychuk | 2 | 1 | +1 | -
Tim Brent | 14 | 7 | +7 | 3
Zac Dalpe | 2 | 2 | even | -
Patrick Dwyer | 9 | 4 | +5 | -
Jussi Jokinen | 21 | 8 | +13 | 1
Chad LaRose | 17 | 12 | +5 | -
Riley Nash | 1 | - | +1 | -
Andreas Nodl | 7 | 3 | +4 | -
Alexei Ponikarovsky | 9 | 5 | +4 | -
Tuomo Ruutu | 25 | 8 | +17 | -
Jerome Samson | 3 | 1 | +2 | -
Jeff Skinner | 24 | 11 | +13 | 1
Eric Staal | 29 | 18 | +11 | -
Anthony Stewart | 15 | 7 | +9 | 1
Brandon Sutter | 19 | 7 | +12 | -
Brett Sutter | 3 | 3 | even | -
Jiri Tlusty | 26 | 12 | +14 | 1
Defensemen | | | |
Bryan Allen | 6 | 18 | -12 | 1
Justin Faulk | 5 | 16 | -11 | -
Tim Gleason | 10 | 15 | -5 | 1
Jay Harrison | 9 | 23 | -14 | -
Derek Joslin | 1 | 6 | -5 | -
Tomas Kaberle | 2 | 10| -8| -
Jamie McBain | 17 | 22 | -5 | 2
Joni Pitkanen | 7 | 12 | -5 | 1
Jaroslav Spacek | 7 | 15 | -8 | -

 

[nobuddy]

Game 68 @ Tampa Bay
4-2 W

No YT of this one? Weird.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2011021019


ES GOALS FOR

1st 12:29 Skinner (Jokinen, LaRose)
+1 Skinner, pretty obvious why he gets the plus here.
+1 Jokinen for a nice, quick centering pass
+1 LaRose for getting a bit lucky on that random shot
Spacek? and McBain? even

3rd 6:36 Skinner (Allen)
+1 Skinner, doing it all by himself

ES GOALS AGAINST

1st 1:20 Malone (Pyatt, Connolly)
-1 Allen, tough break but that rebound is his responsibility
Gleason, Sutter, Nodl, Dwyer even

1st 17:14 Thompson (Wyman, Hall)
-1 Staal... you can't just leave a guy standing in the slot like that
-1 Tlusty, who was wandering in the zone and still had a chance to stop Wyman's pass
Ruutu, Allen, Gleason even

Totals for the game:
+2 Skinner
+1 Jokinen
+1 LaRose
-1 Allen
-1 Staal
-1 Tlusty

I think Gleason deserves a minus on Tampa's second goal. He was in position to block the pass, but instead goes behind the goalline when Allen was already below the goalline. Obviously never good to have both dmen in that position.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I let this thread lag a bit... time for some rapid-fire catchup posts.

I think Gleason deserves a minus on Tampa's second goal. He was in position to block the pass, but instead goes behind the goalline when Allen was already below the goalline. Obviously never good to have both dmen in that position.

Eh, I think that was on Tlusty. Gleason was matched up with Wyman in the crease, and Wyman went behind the net to get the puck. Gleason came around the other side to continue that assignment and put a good check on him. Tlusty was responsible for the pass, but instead floated down behind Gleason without much purpose. It looked like Tlusty was confused by having switched to the center position, wanting to go to the boards instead of protecting the slot.

I added the YT to the post above, maybe someone else can chip in on this one. Personally I don't see Gleason missing an assignment there.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Game 70 @ Rangers
2-4 L



ES GOALS FOR

2nd 15:16 Bowman (Sutter, Dwyer)
+1 Bowman for a nice 150-foot shift.
+1 Sutter with a really nice little setup pass.
+1 Dwyer, whose speed could be really useful to this team if he used it more often.

ES GOALS AGAINST

1st 3:02 Gaborik (Girardi, Mitchell)
-1 Allen, read the shot/pass in the wrong direction so that he didn't have time to get back to Gaborik.
Sanguinetti, Brent, Samson, Joslin even

2nd 10:12 Richards (Hagelin)
-1 Harrison for an ugly sequence that starts with deflecting a pass right onto Ward, then missing a poke check and partially screening Ward from the shot.
Faulk, Jokinen, LaRose, Skinner even

2nd 13:11 Richards (Hagelin, Gaborik)
-1 Faulk, got got moving the wrong way and then missed an opportunity to recover.
-1 Jokinen, who set up Faulk's mistake by missing a body check in favor of multiple missed stick checks, then giving Hagelin a clear lane behind the net.
-1 Skinner for floating lazily when he could easily have broken up the scoring chance.

3rd 13:00 Hagelin (Gaborik, Richards)
-1 Ruutu for the most immediate mistake, an unforced turnover right on Hagelin's tape. This is the biggest case of "phantom assists" I've seen this season.
-1 Gleason for misplaying the wrap-around.
-1 McBain because none of those things happen if he doesn't make an egregious mistake leading up to that sequence.
Staal, Nodl even.

Totals for the game:
+1 Bowman
+1 Dwyer
+1 Sutter
-1 Allen
-1 Faulk
-1 Gleason
-1 Harrison
-1 Jokinen
-1 McBain
-1 Ruutu
-1 Skinner

 

[tarheelhockey]

Game 71 vs St. Louis
2-0 W



ES GOALS FOR

3rd 12:08 LaRose (Nodl, Brent)

+1 LaRose for doing what he does best -- score huge goals!
+1 Brent, whose forechecking was crucial on the play.
+1 Sanguinetti, who might have been robbed of an assist on that crucial pinch.
+1 Nodl, nice bit of chemistry to know where to put the puck for LaRose.
Allen even

3rd 17:22 Skinner (Allen)
+1 Skinner, goal of the year?
+1 Allen, who really got the better of Oshie and sprung Skinner's rush.
Ruutu, Staal, Gleason even

ES GOALS AGAINST

none

Totals for the game:
+1 Allen
+1 Brent
+1 LaRose
+1 Nodl
+1 Sanguinetti
+1 Skinner

 

[tarheelhockey]

Game 72 @ Minnesota
5-3 W



ES GOALS FOR

1st 1:02 Bowman (unassisted)
+1 Bowman, kind of a gift from Stoner.
Gleason, Allen, Jokinen, LaRose even

2nd 17:14 Bowman (Sutter, Stewart)
+1 Harrison, who got a stick on the puck right at the blueline to cause the initial opportunity
+1 Bowman,
+1 Sutter and
+1 Stewart for collectively grinding out a goal with some good board play
Faulk even

3rd 7:16 Sutter (Bowman)
+1 Bowman for that perfectly feathered pass to break Sutter out
+1 Sutter, proving once again he is a breakaway expert
McBain, Gleason even

3rd 8:04 Brent (Staal, Tlusty)
Continuation of the PP advantage, no changes.

ES GOALS AGAINST

1st 7:08 Brodziak (Kampfer, Gilbert)
That one's bad on Boucher, no changes.

2nd 12:33 Johnson (Brodziak, Scandella)
At risk of giving too much benefit of the doubt, this goal was the result of an illegal pick that Heatley put on Gleason. The play was well defended until Gleason got taken out, leaving Allen double-teamed in front with both Johnson and Heatley and a loose puck at his feet. I don't think we should assign minuses to the defenders here given that Heatley should have been going to the box for interference.

Totals for the game:
+3 Bowman
+2 Sutter
+1 Harison
+1 Stewart

 

[tarheelhockey]

Game 73 @ Winnipeg
4-3 W



ES GOALS FOR

3rd 10:24 Staal (Jokinen)
+1 Staal... even before the goal, he made Ladd look pretty bad with a little pressure at the point.
+1 Jokinen for the breakout pass

3rd 18:38 LaRose (Staal, Jokinen)
+1 LaRose, just another clutch goal, yawn
+1 Staal for the zone entry and a completely unchallenged screen
Jokinen, Allen, Gleason even

ES GOALS AGAINST

1st 11:41 Antropov (Stapleton, Stuart)
Tough one to evaluate, since it was set up by such a fluky bounce. I'm going to say both Faulk and Harrison have a responsibility to protect the low slot, neither one of them took a body on Antropov, so they both get minuses.
-1 Faulk
-1 Harrison
Brent, Joslin, Stewart even

2nd 10:29 Miettinen (Kane, Enstrom)
-1 Sutter, overplaying toward the boards and leaving the shooting lane open
-1 Gleason, doing nothing to challenge Miettinen's position in front.
Allen, Jokinen even

2nd 18:54 Miettinen (Machacek)
-1 Gleason, who looked pretty bad defending a simple passing play.
Allen, Ruutu, Dwyer, Anonymous Forward even

Totals for the game:
+2 Staal
+1 Jokinen
+1 LaRose
-1 Faulk
-1 Harrison
-1 Sutter
-2 Gleason

 

[tarheelhockey]

Game 74 vs Florida
3-1 W

No YT up yet.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2011021098

ES GOALS FOR

1st 0:46 Staal (unassisted)
+1 Staal, who pretty much did it all himself.
Allen, Gleason, LaRose, Tlusty even

2nd 10:55 Pitkanen (Ruutu, Skinner)
+1 Ruutu who made a really heads-up play on that drop pass
+1 Pitkanen for the nice shot
McBain, Jokinen, Skinner even

ES GOALS AGAINST

2nd 12:33 Fleischmann (Jovanovski, Weiss)
-1 Pitkanen, not just for deflecting the puck in but also giving Weiss way too much time and space to make a play on the dump-in.
-1 Dwyer... I don't know if that was a late line change or what, but Jovanovski had time to make a sandwich before he took that shot. It was Dwyer's side of the ice so I assume he should have been there and not off-screen.
Allen, Sutter, Bowman even

Totals for the game:
+1 Staal
+1 Ruutu
-1 Dwyer

 

[tarheelhockey]

Player | Plus | Minus | Total | Margin Of Error
Forwards | | | |
Drayson Bowman | 13 | 3 | +10 | 1
Zach Boychuk | 2 | 1 | +1 | -
Tim Brent | 15 | 7 | +8 | 3
Zac Dalpe | 2 | 2 | even | -
Patrick Dwyer | 10 | 5 | +5 | -
Jussi Jokinen | 22 | 9 | +13 | 1
Chad LaRose | 19 | 12 | +7 | -
Riley Nash | 1 | - | +1 | -
Andreas Nodl | 8 | 3 | +5 | -
Alexei Ponikarovsky | 9 | 5 | +4 | -
Tuomo Ruutu | 26 | 9 | +17 | -
Jerome Samson | 3 | 1 | +2 | -
Jeff Skinner | 25 | 12 | +13 | 1
Eric Staal | 32 | 18 | +14 | -
Anthony Stewart | 16 | 7 | +9 | 1
Brandon Sutter | 22 | 8 | +14 | -
Brett Sutter | 3 | 3 | even | -
Jiri Tlusty | 26 | 12 | +14 | 1
Defensemen | | | |
Bryan Allen | 7 | 19 | -12 | 1
Justin Faulk | 5 | 18 | -13 | -
Tim Gleason | 10 | 18 | -8 | 1
Jay Harrison | 10 | 25 | -15 | -
Derek Joslin | 1 | 6 | -5 | -
Tomas Kaberle | 2 | 10| -8 | -
Jamie McBain | 17 | 23 | -6 | 2
Joni Pitkanen | 8 | 13 | -5 | 1
Bobby Sanguinetti | 1 | - | +1 | -
Jaroslav Spacek | 7 | 15 | -8 | -

 

[DaveG]

hard to give a minus on the Florida goal IMO, it was such a freak play. With the referee essentially keeping Cam from playing what was an easy clearout and the puck going in off Joni.

 

[tarheelhockey]

hard to give a minus on the Florida goal IMO, it was such a freak play. With the referee essentially keeping Cam from playing what was an easy clearout and the puck going in off Joni.

I remember it being mentioned during the GDT, but I don't quite get what happened between Cam and the ref. It looked to me like the puck just ended up in the no-play zone?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I remember it being mentioned during the GDT, but I don't quite get what happened between Cam and the ref. It looked to me like the puck just ended up in the no-play zone?

IIRC, the puck hit the ref on the dump in. Slowed the puck down to remain in the no-play zone instead of going the distance to the trapezoid.

I don't think it affected the goal too much, since the players/Ward had time to reset and get set before the goal was scored.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I was always told that refs are part of the field of play. It sucks if the puck bounces off of them at a bad moment, but it's no different than if it had hit a divot in the ice or a seam in the glass.

To me, the most relevant factor on that play was that there was nobody to be found defending the right point. That meant Allen had to charge out for the shot block, which started the hijinks in front of the net. I might even be willing to give Pitkanen a pass if he really was put in an un-defendable position by the dump-in off the ref, but there's no reason for Dwyer to just be entering the action as the puck goes in the net.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Game 75 @ Columbus
1-5 L



ES GOALS FOR

2nd 13:16 Bowman (Sutter, Faulk)
+1 Faulk, who made a particularly nice takeaway/pass transition
+1 Sutter for a smart chip pass up to Bowman
+1 Bowman, just a great individual effort.
Dwyer, Pitkanen even

ES GOALS AGAINST

1st 6:50 Prospal (Johnson, Savard)
-1 Staal, because on two occasions he could have stopped that play cold. Once on the zone entry, and again when Johnson passed. Both times he was coasting and watching.
Tlusty, LaRose, Faulk, Harrison even

2nd 14:36 Umberger (Brassard, Nikitin)
This one is tough. The shot came from LaRose's lane but he was just coming off the bench. I can't see giving him a minus for coming off the bench. Not sure which winger vacated the ice before him, probably Jokinen.
-1 Ruutu, because that line change goes just fine if he doesn't have complete tunnel-vision to get back to the bench. The pass to Brassard went right in front of him and should have been an easy takeaway.
Staal, LaRose, McBain, Pitkanen even

3rd 14:58 Umberger (Brassard)
-1 Harrison for a facepalm-worthy turnover
-1 Faulk because, even though he was in a bad spot, he has to stop the pass on a 2-on-1.
Skinner, Jokinen, Dwyer even

3rd 16:45 Letestu (Prospal, Johnson)
-1 McBain for the bad pinch.
Pitkanen (who did take the pass away), Sutter, LaRose, Bowman even

Totals for the game:
+1 Bowman
+1 Sutter
-1 Harrison
-1 McBain
-1 Ruutu
-1 Staal

 

[tarheelhockey]

Game 76 @ Detroit
4-5 L



ES GOALS FOR

1st 0:17 Tlusty (LaRose, Staal)
+1 Tlusty, 100% individual effort
Staal, LaRose, Gleason, Allen even

2nd 0:26 LaRose (Staal, Allen)
+1 Staal for a nice slap pass
+1 LaRose, finishing it off
Tlusty, Allen, Gleason even

ES GOALS AGAINST

2nd 5:10 Zetterberg (Filppula, Hudler)
Goaltender malfunction.

2nd 16:58 Zetterberg (Filppula, Hudler)
-1 Tlusty, trailing the play and leaving that lane wide open
Harrison, Faulk, LaRose, Staal even

2nd 17:16 Bertuzzi (Nyquist, Lidstrom)
-1 McBain... not sure what play he was reading, but he was way down in the corner leaving Pitkanen alone with 2 guys in front of the net.
Pitkanen, Ruutu, Jokinen, Skinner even

3rd 8:10 Hudler (Stuart, Fippula)
-1 Sutter, another case of wandering and leaving the high slot wide open.
Faulk, Harrison, Dwyer, Bowman even

3rd 11:35 Miller (Cleary)
-1 Faulk, tough mistake to miss that loose puck
-1 Harrison, because he could still have done a much better job of tying up Cleary to prevent the goal
Sutter, Bowman, Dwyer even

Totals for the game
+1 LaRose
+1 Staal
-1 Faulk
-1 Harrison
-1 McBain
-1 Sutter

 

[tarheelhockey]

Game 77 @ Toronto
3-0 W



ES GOALS FOR

1st 13:05 Jokinen (Ruutu, Faulk)
+1 Faulk with the bank pass on the breakout
+1 Ruutu for a very smart drop pass
+1 Jokinen, both for the neutral zone play and the backhand shot

1st 18:17 Brent (Joslin, Allen)
+1 Joslin for 50% of the work on that give-and-go
+1 Brent for the other 50%, plus a helluva shot

2nd 0:37 Harrison (Ruutu, Jokinen)
This was just a horrible goal on Gustavsson.

ES GOALS AGAINST

none

Totals for the game
+1 Brent
+1 Faulk
+1 Jokinen
+1 Joslin
+1 Ruutu