Everything COVID19 - PART 4

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Icelevel

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Was at loblaws today. They were giving people masks who didnt have any at the door, but a lot of them just took them off once they made it past the lobby.

Human beings are wonderful.
New swine flu discovered in China. Passes to humans. As expected and more to come.

Get used to it. People refuse to change. People gonna die. Putting everyone at risk because of this refusal is pretty sad.

Reality is that humans are doomed unless they start doing far more than just putting on a mask.
Kiss your ass goodbye.
Watch the movie Idiocracy and try to laugh. Thats the real tragedy. One of the funniest movies is being robbed of its entertainment value. :) :(
 

Stylizer1

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New swine flu discovered in China. Passes to humans. As expected and more to come.

Get used to it. People refuse to change. People gonna die. Putting everyone at risk because of this refusal is pretty sad.

Reality is that humans are doomed unless they start doing far more than just putting on a mask.
Kiss your ass goodbye.
Watch the movie Idiocracy and try to laugh. Thats the real tragedy. One of the funniest movies is being robbed of its entertainment value. :) :(
need more meat eaters in this world.
 
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Dingle

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It has been a while, I logged in to see where things are at. Nice to know the debate in here is the same as outside. I have been knee deep in this new world. I am surrounded by high risk/highly vulnerable people. It has allowed me a perspective that perhaps others do not have.

The vulnerable took it and continue to take it very seriously. Many have gone to extreme lengths to protect themselves. As a result, death rates have been very low in Canada and much of the Western world. Granted, 4-6 months now of dealing with it has resulted in improved means to deal with severe cases. But the reality is; the vulnerable have hid. And so, the low death rate is reflecting the spread being predominantly among the young and non-vulnerable.

This will not continue. By September it will be ~ month 7 since the vulnerable have gone into hiding. That has meant no medical appointments, no reaching out to health care, etc. This cannot continue. Remember the vulnerable are the medically vulnerable. They tend to exist in the world of health care as it is. Sue, will do between 10 and 14 trips to a doctor, hospital, test lab, dentist, etc per year. She has done one since mid March. She has no choice but to return to her normal schedule of medical appointments/activities. Meaning, by September she and millions of vulnerable will flood the healthcare system. They will have no choice. Unlike grocery shopping, no one can see a doctor for you.

All the while, kids will return to school, and society at large will return to a busier life. This could mean a perfect storm. Sadly, I fear that come September, what we saw in NY, Italy, Spain, etc. will occur again. And even more tragic is; as the vulnerable forgo medical care because of fear, they will get injured thanks to other health issues. A potential cancer victim, one who otherwise may see his doctor at regular intervals and therefore be diagnosed at stage 1, or 2, may miss 1 or 2 appointments. Be diagnosed 10-12 months later and already be at stage 3 or 4.

Sue has 3 medicals this month!!! She is losing her sight and she may not have access to eye surgery until late this year and who knows if so? Keep in mind, health care is operating at a snail's pace, due to precautionary actions. What once took 3-6 months to get a specialist appointment, may mean 6-12 months. Cancer jumps a stage every 4-6 months. With no treatment, ~ 3 years from development to death.

What the 85% non vulnerable do not understand, the 15% vulnerable, still have their worst days ahead of them.
 
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Opposed to the sheeple that believe every conspiracy theory they read and see online?

Being a graduate of YouTube University does not make you a critical thinker.

I post straight from the GOV sites, many here don't and instead believe everything they read from online newspapers, twitter and 6pm news etc.

Again the sheep are the ones that don't do research for themselves and believe everything they read and watch - They lack critical thinking.

If people just used official GOV numbers here many would be less paranoid.
 
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FunkySeeFunkyDoo

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I post straight from the GOV sites, many here don't and instead believe everything they read from online newspapers, twitter and 6pm news etc.

Again the sheep are the ones that don't do research for themselves and believe everything they read and watch - They lack critical thinking.

If people just used official GOV numbers here many would be less paranoid.
Sorry, GOV? Is that an acronym or do you mean offical government sites?
 

Nac Mac Feegle

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It has been a while, I logged in to see where things are at. Nice to know the debate in here is the same as outside. I have been knee deep in this new world. I am surrounded by high risk/highly vulnerable people. It has allowed me a perspective that perhaps others do not have.

The vulnerable took it and continue to take it very seriously. Many have gone to extreme lengths to protect themselves. As a result, death rates have been very low in Canada and much of the Western world. Granted, 4-6 months now of dealing with it has resulted in improved means to deal with severe cases. But the reality is; the vulnerable have hid. And so, the low death rate is reflecting the spread being predominantly among the young and non-vulnerable.

This will not continue. By September it will be ~ month 7 since the vulnerable have gone into hiding. That has meant no medical appointments, no reaching out to health care, etc. This cannot continue. Remember the vulnerable are the medically vulnerable. They tend to exist in the world of health care as it is. Sue, will do between 10 and 14 trips to a doctor, hospital, test lab, dentist, etc per year. She has done one since mid March. She has no choice but to return to her normal schedule of medical appointments/activities. Meaning, by September she and millions of vulnerable will flood the healthcare system. They will have no choice. Unlike grocery shopping, no one can see a doctor for you.

All the while, kids will return to school, and society at large will return to a busier life. This could mean a perfect storm. Sadly, I fear that come September, what we saw in NY, Italy, Spain, etc. will occur again. And even more tragic is; as the vulnerable forgo medical care because of fear, they will get injured thanks to other health issues. A potential cancer victim, one who otherwise may see his doctor at regular intervals and therefore be diagnosed at stage 1, or 2, may miss 1 or 2 appointments. Be diagnosed 10-12 months later and already be at stage 3 or 4.

Sue has 3 medicals this month!!! She is losing her sight and she may not have access to eye surgery until late this year and who knows if so? Keep in mind, health care is operating at a snail's pace, due to precautionary actions. What once took 3-6 months to get a specialist appointment, may mean 6-12 months. Cancer jumps a stage every 4-6 months. With no treatment, ~ 3 years from development to death.

What the 85% non vulnerable do not understand, the 15% vulnerable, still have their worst days ahead of them.


That's exactly why I'm worried about this fall.

We lucked out big-time having this virus go 'mainstream' in North America in March. It was the tail end of the flu season and spring was already starting. It's like spotting a severe storm at sea when you're only a few hours from port...hold on for a little bit, and you're home. This fall, that storm is going to start when we are in the middle of the ocean, and it's going to be a hell of a long trip to shore.
 

Satoru Gojo

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To put that number in some context, about 400k people worldwide have died from (or with) COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic. The estimate now is that by the time it is over, that number may be about one million. Tragic, no doubt, but a fraction of what was initially expected and much less than the ten million whose lives were saved by vaccine use, of which I am a strong proponent. (I'll line up to take my vaccine for COVID-19 with no hesitation.)

In looking at the Ontario numbers this morning (lows for infections and deaths not seen since March) you see some definite trends. Firstly, active cases are down almost 40% in the last two weeks. Secondly, and even more starkly, hospitalizations are down 60% in the last two weeks. Those are incredibly positive trends, but of course the media downplays them because they don't fit the narrative.

It also tells you that the "second wave" talk is largely just panic porn. If and when there is a flare up, there is enough testing and awareness now that they will be able to quickly isolate it and deal with it. That's what they are doing in South Korea right now - the media is talking "second wave" because it is their favourite phrase, but actual number of new cases in South Korea yesterday was less than 20. (Population of over 50 million.) China is dealing with a few isolated outbreaks in Beijing, but we are talking dozens, not thousands. This is how it will likely go for the next few months here as well - patchy outbreaks here and there, but very manageable now that we have lots of testing capacity and know where to find the outbreaks. (Cast your mind back to March when they literally had to ration testing - if we had testing capacity then like we have now, this might be over already.)

I have contended for a couple of months now that by the end of the summer, the worst of this will have passed and that life will be on its way back to at least some state of normalcy. Seeing these numbers and trends confirms that for me.

Strong post that I fully agree with

These second wave fear mongers on here are starting to become a bit hostile. Multiple European countries have eased lockdowns and social restrictions and have yet to see this dreaded "second wave". That includes Italy who sent the World into a Global panic last March.

They really shouldn't be saying South Korea is in one when their cases aren't even in the triple digits.

Like the above post is saying, a few outbreaks, but otherwise this thing will be under control
 

PoutineSp00nZ

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Jul 21, 2009
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New swine flu discovered in China. Passes to humans. As expected and more to come.

Get used to it. People refuse to change. People gonna die. Putting everyone at risk because of this refusal is pretty sad.

Reality is that humans are doomed unless they start doing far more than just putting on a mask.
Kiss your ass goodbye.
Watch the movie Idiocracy and try to laugh. Thats the real tragedy. One of the funniest movies is being robbed of its entertainment value. :) :(

Well I don't think this virus is what's going to kill us off. Left unchecked it would still only wipe out a small percentage of the population. Economic damage would be larger.

Its if/when something even worse comes along that we really have to worry.

Not that it matters, we're going to make this planet inhospitable for us eventually, and civilization will mostly crumble as a result. So lets just enjoy the ride while it lasts!
 

FormentonTheFuture

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Marc Methot on Twitter acting like if we're wearing masks, that distancing measures shouldn't be necessary. Oof.
He was just asking people their opinions. Don’t think it was outlandish. I kind of agree that some of the measures in place aren’t necessary anymore, like arrows in stores or plexiglass.
 

Stylizer1

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He was just asking people their opinions. Don’t think it was outlandish. I kind of agree that some of the measures in place aren’t necessary anymore, like arrows in stores or plexiglass.
Those arrows are so stupid. Anywhere else in the grocery store you pass by people all the time but if you go the wrong way in an isle you have people looking at you like you are crazy. I would love to see the science regarding one way grocery isles.
 

FormentonTheFuture

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Those arrows are so stupid. Anywhere else in the grocery store you pass by people all the time but if you go the wrong way in an isle you have people looking at you like you are crazy. I would love to see the science regarding one way grocery isles.
I honestly forgot about it last time I went, and nobody cared. Everyone was going both ways. I think the plexiglass is useless now though, if everyone is wearing masks.
 

coladin

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I was fine without wearing masks because I keep my distance, but will happily wear one if that is the law and it makes others feel more comfortable
 
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Satoru Gojo

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Marc Methot on Twitter acting like if we're wearing masks, that distancing measures shouldn't be necessary. Oof.

Are people still social distancing? Everywhere I look wether its on Social Media or out and about I see crowds of people all huddled up
 

DaveMatthew

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Reported CVD19 cases in the USA going up, Death rate due to CVD19 trending down.
Like the Stable Genius said a few weeks back, the more testing (for CVD19) the more cases you'll find.

Canada doing much better than our friends to the south

Daily confirmed COVID-19 deaths, rolling 3-day average

Cases in the US started rapidly rising, again, around June 20th. It takes a couple of weeks for deaths to catch up. We'll see how things go, but deaths may very well be 1000+, and then 2000+, per day relatively soon.

On Tuesday they hit 902.
 
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L'Aveuglette

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He was just asking people their opinions. Don’t think it was outlandish. I kind of agree that some of the measures in place aren’t necessary anymore, like arrows in stores or plexiglass.

He wasn't just asking. He was saying he didn't feel like distancing was necessary now that people wear masks.
 
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