Eugene Melnyk Pledges to spend near salary cap: FYOUS Edition

[Sensung]

Too bad you didn't include a "maybe" or "undecided" option. Wonder why.

Well considering it isn't my thread or poll, I'm not sure how I'm responsible.

 

[The Lewler]

I guess you never heard of "maybe"? I would have voted for both because many are not sure. Hence the yes and no vote.

lol. You are an intelligent guy. I'm not engaged in a personal running battle with you.

It should be a binary question.

Putting maybe is pointless.

Maybe he does it ? So the "yesses" have it. Maybe he doesn't? The "noes" have it.

Melnyk made a commitment. Will he actually do it? Yes or No.

In the end, there will be a bunch of grey and nuance as to why or why not it actually comes to pass.

You could put a hundred different "Maybe , but .." poll options .. but... what's the point?

Thankfully we then have the discussion part under the poll where we can then kick around the meaningless poll results and our meaningless attempts to convince each other that our opinions are wrong.

 

[Agent Zub]

It would be interesting to see someone do the math.

Here is Ottawa's first 4 seasons after a harsh expansion draft:

List of Ottawa Senators seasons - Wikipedia

Season	Team	GP	W	L	T	OTL	Pts	GF	GA	PIM	Finish	Playoffs
1992–93	1992–93	84	10	70	4	—	24	202	395	1716	6th, Adams	Did not qualify
1993–94	1993–94	84	14	61	9	—	37	201	397	1710	7th, Northeast	Did not qualify
1994–95[a]	1994–95	48	9	34	5	—	23	117	174	749	7th, Northeast	Did not qualify
1995–96	1995–96	82	18	59	5	—	41	191	291	1553	6th, Northeast	Did not qualify

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

What happens if we take those out? Even just the first two?

As for his pledge. It's likely more bull****. If Stone and Duchene are walking how do we even get to the cap ceiling? We'd overplay for UFAs or we'd have to have some insane drafts several years in a row.... seeing as we don't have our first round pick this year.

Boro 8 mill contract to be the face of the franchise and the new captain of the Ottawa Senators.

 

[Sensung]

lol. You are an intelligent guy. I'm not engaged in a personal running battle with you.

It should be a binary question.

Putting maybe is pointless.

Maybe he does it ? So the "yesses" have it. Maybe he doesn't? The "noes" have it.

Melnyk made a commitment. Will he actually do it? Yes or No.

In the end, there will be a bunch of grey and nuance as to why or why not it actually comes to pass.

You could put a hundred different "Maybe , but .." poll options .. but... what's the point?

Thankfully we then have the discussion part under the poll where we can then kick around the meaningless poll results and our meaningless attempts to convince each other that our opinions are wrong.

Excellent post.

 

[BonkTastic]

I really think that "outlook hazy" and "ask again later" should have been poll options.

If we're going to include "maybe" as an answer, you might as well go full-Magic-8-Ball with it.

 

[coladin]

Well considering it isn't my thread or poll, I'm not sure how I'm responsible.

My bad. But you get my point

 

[coladin]

lol. You are an intelligent guy. I'm not engaged in a personal running battle with you.

It should be a binary question.

Putting maybe is pointless.

Maybe he does it ? So the "yesses" have it. Maybe he doesn't? The "noes" have it.

Melnyk made a commitment. Will he actually do it? Yes or No.

In the end, there will be a bunch of grey and nuance as to why or why not it actually comes to pass.

You could put a hundred different "Maybe , but .." poll options .. but... what's the point?

Thankfully we then have the discussion part under the poll where we can then kick around the meaningless poll results and our meaningless attempts to convince each other that our opinions are wrong.

A lot of polls have an "undecided" option. Like, when voting polls are done. Maybe is a bad option, I meant "undecided"

 

[Sensung]

My bad. But you get my point

Your point being that I am the devil and should be attacked even when not responsible...sure.

Or your point being that you don’t like the overwhelmingly negative view of Melnyk the poll suggests, so instead of dealing with the reality it reveals you choose to try and deflect to methodology?

 

[BonkTastic]

A lot of polls have an "undecided" option. Like, when voting polls are done.

But a voting poll is asking you what YOU are going to do, in which case "undecided" is an entirely valid answer - it's asking about which action you will take. It's polling individuals to determine what each individual will do, and forming a data set comprised of many individual choices. "Undecided" is a valuable category to know in that case because it defines your variables and allows for predictive models to help fill in the blanks based on precedence and trends.

This is a poll about what you think someone else will do. You can't be undecided about something you have no control over.

Fence-sitting isn't really a valid option for these kinds of polls, because it doesn't give any real information. It's essentially a wasted poll.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I think "maybe" this guy had to go.. Needs some protein in his diet

 

[supsens]

But a voting poll is asking you what YOU are going to do, in which case "undecided" is an entirely valid answer - it's asking about which action you will take. It's polling individuals to determine what each individual will do, and forming a data set comprised of many individual choices. "Undecided" is a valuable category to know in that case because it defines your variables and allows for predictive models to help fill in the blanks based on precedence and trends.

This is a poll about what you think someone else will do. You can't be undecided about something you have no control over.

Fence-sitting isn't really a valid option for these kinds of polls, because it doesn't give any real information. It's essentially a wasted poll.

A poll like this doesn’t give any real information either. If everyone votes one way or the other it is still pointless, it has no impact on what he does nor does it point to an outcome. I am not sure how being undecided has any more or less value then picking one option.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

A poll like this doesn’t give any real information either. If everyone votes one way or the other it is still pointless, it has no impact on what he does nor does it point to an outcome. I am not sure how being undecided has any more or less value then picking one option.

I realize you don't like the results, but he actually explained it pretty clearly, you should just read his explanation again.

You're right though, the poll is as pointless as the press release nobody believes.

 

[supsens]

I realize you don't like the results, but he actually explained it pretty clearly, you should just read his explanation again.

You're right though, the poll is as pointless as the press release nobody believes.

I didn’t even look at the results, he stated the ‘undecided’ is meaningless in a poll like this, and I pointed out that is incorrect. The entire thing is meaningless.
Can I ask why on earth I wouldn’t like the results?

 

[West Coast Eagles]

I didn’t even look at the results, he stated the ‘undecided’ is meaningless in a poll like this, and I pointed out that is incorrect. The entire thing is meaningless.
Can I ask why on earth I wouldn’t like the results?

Are all polls meaningless? Perhaps your definition of meaningless is different to others.

 

[Sensung]

A poll like this doesn’t give any real information either. If everyone votes one way or the other it is still pointless, it has no impact on what he does nor does it point to an outcome. I am not sure how being undecided has any more or less value then picking one option.

It speaks to the level of faith the fanbase has in Eugene Melnyk.

The vast majority have little to no trust that he will follow through on this promise do to his long standing record as a liar.

 

[supsens]

Are all polls meaningless?

Depends on the poll. If it asks what the person polled is going to do. or what people think about the city spending money on a new park and they are seeking public approval.
But a poll on weather or not some other person is ‘going to do it’ that is pointless, our opinions do not effect the outcome nor do they discredit or validate anything.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I didn’t even look at the results, he stated the ‘undecided’ is meaningless in a poll like this, and I pointed out that is incorrect. The entire thing is meaningless.
Can I ask why on earth I wouldn’t like the results?

Im surprised you posted that after his clear explanation on why it doesn't apply to a poll such as this. Your post history was why i would assume you wouldn't like a poll demonstrating that Melnyk's word means nothing to fans or the sports media world.

 

[supsens]

It speaks to the level of faith the fanbase has in Eugene Melnyk.

The vast majority have little to no trust that he will follow through on this promise do to his long standing record as a liar.

And that changes what?

 

[supsens]

Im surprised you posted that after his clear explanation on why it doesn't apply to a poll such as this. Your post history was why i would assume you wouldn't like a poll demonstrating that Melnyk's word means nothing to fans or the sports media world.

What posting history? Trying to explain to people money doesn’t fall from the sky? Ohhh how dare I. I don’t care about EM nor am I concerned what people think of him. Neither matter

 

[Sensung]

And that changes what?

Speaks to the need to change owenership.

Let’s those posters who hold out hope of Eugene being able to mend fences see just how futile their fight is.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

What posting history? Trying to explain to people money doesn’t fall from the sky? Ohhh how dare I. I don’t care about EM nor am I concerned what people think of him. Neither matter

Lol, sure, if that's how you'd like to portray it.

 

[Micklebot]

I didn’t even look at the results, he stated the ‘undecided’ is meaningless in a poll like this, and I pointed out that is incorrect. The entire thing is meaningless.
Can I ask why on earth I wouldn’t like the results?

Polls here are meant to stimulate conversation not change the world around us. "Maybe, idk" doesn't really make for stimulating discussion.

 

[supsens]

Speaks to the need to change owenership.

Let’s those posters who hold out hope of Eugene being able to mend fences see just how futile their fight is.

Do you think daddy will give us more? “See, see even Timmy thinks he won’t. I want a new daddy”

 

[IlTerrifico]

Just assuming ScrooEuge lets $15M walk from the payroll in UFAs, just what can we expect him to add to make up the equivalent and more for 2021?

In 2017, the top free agents who moved teams were Radulov for $6.35M per, Shattenkirk $6.6M per and Marleau at $6.2M per.

2018, Tavares went home for $11M per, Van Riemsdyk got $7M per, Stastny $6.5M, Neal $5.8M, and Kovalchuk $6.2M.

This year available are Karlsson, Panarin, Spezza and Skinner among others.

So if ScrooEuge is going to add $20M, he will be hard-pressed to even add back the solid performing talent of Stone/Duchene, and given his history of meddling foolishness in Kovalev and Gonchar, he will likely wind up with washouts talents like Kovalchuk and Marleau being center pieces.

So yeah, he better keep what he has, let Ceci walk or be traded, sign a veteran D for less, and add to the mix in 2021, mostly on D, as Batherson, Formenton and Brown look like the additions to make 3 very solid forward lines by then, if we keep the rest.

 

[supsens]

Polls here are meant to stimulate conversation not change the world around us. "Maybe, idk" doesn't really make for stimulating discussion.

Why not? Being on the fence is a real world situation and can be part of any discussion