Hit the post
I have your gold medal Zippy!
Hutton and Stecher are "ok" as depth. But that still makes only one quarter of the passable or better D on the blueline with Benning's fingerprints on it.
Player Discussion Erik Gudbranson
- Thread starter ProstheticConscience
- Start date
- Status
Black Noise
Flavourtown
Hutton and Gudbranson (520 minutes, 5v5): -16, 34 GF%, -19 Rel GF%, 41 xGF%
Hutton and Stecher (130 minutes, 5v5): even, 50 GF%, +7 Rel GF%, 37 xGF%
Forgot actors name, looks like Jim(from taxi)/ Doc (from back to the future) oops thought I was still in the Loui Erikson thread.
The evidence is just so damning. As much as I would hate it, if Hutton has to be the co-scapegoat, ultimately I would be fine with selling low on Hutton if it meant getting rid of Gudbranson as well.
Every time I think Jimbo needs to shake things up with a big trade, I remember that he squandered draft picks and McCann to acquire Gudbranson in the first place, and then described him as a 'foundational player'. If that doesn't cause you to gulp once or twice, then nothing will.
keslerburrows
Registered User
If it were me he'd be getting the Gagner treatment. He's the worst d-man in the NHL.
Pastor Of Muppetz
Registered User
- Oct 1, 2017
- 26,203
- 16,089
-5 is definitely not good...How many of those goals were his fault though?...I will recheck the hi-lites of those..Off the top of my head....One of those was Hutton blowing it...and the other was a guy flying past Pouliot...EG had nothing to do with those two..
Kind of why +/- is a dumb statistic.
TraderJim
Um.. like.. you know
- Apr 18, 2006
- 1,112
- 1,510
Watch before the goals. He has the puck and as they are moving up the ice he chucks it across the ice waist high. Toronto picks the turnover up and then pins them back in the zone and they score.
It is more that just the last 2 to 3 seconds before the goal is scored. His numbers are bad because he constantly puts the team in bad places with his inability to move the puck and relieve the pressure of the on-coming attacks and forechecks.
It is more that just the last 2 to 3 seconds before the goal is scored. His numbers are bad because he constantly puts the team in bad places with his inability to move the puck and relieve the pressure of the on-coming attacks and forechecks.
This.
He’s a slow, untalented player who can’t get to plays quick enough and can’t move the puck and is always trapped in his own zone until teams eventually score, even if the actual scoring play isn’t his fault.
-19 in his last 21 games playing soft minutes.
He's a team-worst -18, Hutton is -16 and no other defenseman on the entire team is a negative. Where there's smoke, there's fire. He's been awful this season. There's no way around it.
MadaCanuckle
Registered User
To defend Benning, some people here will blame Hutton or every other player not named Gudbranson, even if the facts (numbers/stats) state otherwise. From this week mailbag from the Army:
"Since coming to the Canucks, he has the worst on-ice goal-differential in the league. That’s a sample of over 120 games, and over that period he’s been outscored by a nearly 2-to-1 ratio. We’re not talking about the fancy stuff here. This isn’t zone exits or shot attempts or WAR, it’s what hockey is supposed to be about, and what all the fancystats naysayers would tell you Gudbranson is supposed to prevent: goals. In terms of how he performs in relation to creating and preventing the one thing that unavoidably always leads to wins and losses, he’s been literally the worst defender in the game since donning a Canucks uniform.
The Canucks can’t be happy with how he’s played. Not when Elias Pettersson is getting mugged every third or fourth game with little pushback, and not when he’s getting turnstiled for a goal against at a rate worse than a waiver-wire pick up. My guess, or maybe it’s a hope, is that they’d like to get out from under that contract, and to do that he needs to play. At that point, it’s about damage control. "
Last edited:
Fire Benning
diaper filled piss baby
At even strength
With Gudbranson: 18 GF/34 GA
Without Gudbranson: 7 GF/6 GA
Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick
Pavel96
Registered User
- Apr 7, 2015
- 2,452
- 2,318
where can we find some of these 'hockey people' that know how to build "winning teams"? this stuff never gets old
Pavel96
Registered User
- Apr 7, 2015
- 2,452
- 2,318
Hilarious. 10 seconds in. Some tsn guys frames the conversation as - Gudbrnason is Vancouver's whipping boy. Then one says - "So is he a guy the leafs want to pick up at the deadline?" and the entire panel bursts out in laughter.
They then go on to talk about the fact that someone has to be the whipping boy. "If Elias were -5, no one would crucify him". Hmm lol. But they go on to offer no reasons why Gudbranson shouldn't be the whipping boy.
https://www.tsn.ca/video/miller-canucks-fans-wait-for-gudbranson-to-make-a-mistake~1580205
(waste of time listening to this unless you just want to hear people laugh at the idea of a successful team acquiring Gudbrnason - which made it more than worthwhile for me)
They then go on to talk about the fact that someone has to be the whipping boy. "If Elias were -5, no one would crucify him". Hmm lol. But they go on to offer no reasons why Gudbranson shouldn't be the whipping boy.
https://www.tsn.ca/video/miller-canucks-fans-wait-for-gudbranson-to-make-a-mistake~1580205
(waste of time listening to this unless you just want to hear people laugh at the idea of a successful team acquiring Gudbrnason - which made it more than worthwhile for me)
Last edited:
What I'm struggling to understand is how anyone, least of all Green and Willie before him, could possibly think that the Hutton-Gudbranson pairing can work? It went off the rails the first season it was tried and it looks just as bad now or even worse than it did then.
It doesn't surprise me to learn that Gudbranson and Hutton are the plus-minus laggards on the Canuck blueline. They have to bite the bullet and give Biega an extended run as a right-side d-man with Hutton or somebody. It can't possibly be any worse.
It doesn't surprise me to learn that Gudbranson and Hutton are the plus-minus laggards on the Canuck blueline. They have to bite the bullet and give Biega an extended run as a right-side d-man with Hutton or somebody. It can't possibly be any worse.
Hutton is a decent defenceman, he’s good at skating the puck up ice and provides a good outlet pass to exit the zone. He has issues with pivoting and turning quickly. You pair a player like that with someone who excels in that area (Stecher/Tanev), instead he is paired with a slow defenseman that can’t pivot & lacks quickness. Gudbranson also has terrible gap control and a horrible stick (stick checking, poke checks, intercepting passes etc.). It’s crystal clear that Hutton & Gudbranson are a bad pairing, don’t understand why they are still paired together, it makes no sense.
Hit the post
I have your gold medal Zippy!
Coaches make odd decisions. Even decent *veteran* ones. Example? Vigneault. Kept going with the Edler-Bieksa pairing when it was clearly a disaster.
megatron
Registered User
- Dec 11, 2016
- 270
- 395
Benning quote when Gudbranon was aquired: "... he can make a good first pass...". I chuckle and think about that quote every time Gudbranson ices the puck. If that stat was measured Im sure he would have the record for icings per 60. He can make a good first pass, wtf you smoking Benning?
source:
Panthers trade Gudbranson to Canucks for McCann
source:
Panthers trade Gudbranson to Canucks for McCann
Last edited:
rypper
21-12-05 it's finally over.
- Dec 22, 2006
- 16,458
- 20,458
Snatcher Demko
High-End Intangibles
- Oct 8, 2006
- 5,954
- 1,366
It's totally damage control at this point.
They tried to trade him for Justin Braun but he nixed coming to Vancouver.
I am certain they would have dealt him at the last TDL but he was hurt. IMHO that's why he was re-signed and it had to be a decent contract to prevent him from walking (which many would have been just fine with but obviously management wants to recoup something).
I don't see him as a piece going forward and I think management is looking for an "out" with him.
They tried to trade him for Justin Braun but he nixed coming to Vancouver.
I am certain they would have dealt him at the last TDL but he was hurt. IMHO that's why he was re-signed and it had to be a decent contract to prevent him from walking (which many would have been just fine with but obviously management wants to recoup something).
I don't see him as a piece going forward and I think management is looking for an "out" with him.
- Status
Ad
Upcoming events
-
GAME 7 - North Bay Battalion @ Oshawa Generals - Series tied 3-3Wagers: 6Staked: $1,397.00Event closes- Updated:
-
-
Series Winner Florida Panthers vs Boston BruinsWagers: 17Staked: $123,192.00Event closes- Updated:
-
-
GAME 6 - Portland Winterhawks @ Prince George Cougars - Portland Winterhawks leads series 3-2Wagers: 4Staked: $384.00Event closes- Updated: