Gudbranson is a Don Cherry special in line with players like Bieksa and Girardi.
They are great teammates, they block shots, are nice guys etc etc but they straight up just aren't good at hockey anymore.
All of these players can't get the puck out their zone unless they shoot it out or simply ice it, which results in loss of possession.
yes i'm not gonna say he's a really good defenseman but you have to look at the context of usage for this player to understand why his coaches keep rolling him out for 18-22 minutes a game.not being good at skating the puck out or making break out passes that cross the blue line is not the same as not being able to get the puck out of your zone.
darryl keeping has been keeping detailed team clearance stats for two games. in those games
the team clearance rates when gudbranson gains possession are top 3. i watched him carefully last game. he definitely uses his team mates to get the puck out. there is nothing wrong with that.
not being good at skating the puck out or making break out passes that cross the blue line is not the same as not being able to get the puck out of your zone.
darryl keeping has been keeping detailed team clearance stats for two games. in those games
the team clearance rates when gudbranson gains possession are top 3. i watched him carefully last game. he definitely uses his team mates to get the puck out. there is nothing wrong with that.
You realize you are interpreting these statistics differently than Darryl Keeping is right? He reposted Botchford's tweet regarding Gudbranson:
This whole thing that somehow giving up possession, or directly causing turnovers, is irrelevant and it's only about getting the puck out, regardless of whether it results in a turnover or the opponent gaining possession does not accord with the creator of these statistic's interpretation of them. This is solely your unique and bizarre spin on them. If you're going to appeal to authority by invoking Darryl Keeping and his stats you should better understand them and note that he agrees that Gudbranson has been very poor.
not being good at skating the puck out or making break out passes that cross the blue line is not the same as not being able to get the puck out of your zone.
darryl keeping has been keeping detailed team clearance stats for two games. in those games
the team clearance rates when gudbranson gains possession are top 3. i watched him carefully last game. he definitely uses his team mates to get the puck out. there is nothing wrong with that.
I like a lot of what Gudbranson brings, but not enough to give him $4 or $5 million with term. If there are other teams out there that value him highly, I think the Canucks would do well to move him.
The game is changing, but I would guess there are still GMs out there that would pay a decent price at the deadline to add a young 4/5 defender that brings a physical element.
nobody said giving up possession or directly causing turnovers is irrelevant. i have repeatedly said the opposite. and the stats speak for themselves and they are not very complicated. i am not appealing to authority by invoking stats except to the extent i assume they are accurate. it is ridiculous for you to suggest i have to share the subjective opinions of someone recording facts in order to rely on those facts. nor do i think you grasp that keeping's opinion is not inconsistent with my take on the stats. keeping obviously believes direct transition is key to good dmen, which is why he started recording direct transition records. to some extent i agree with him, but i don't agree it is the only metric of a good dman.
bottom line, all i am saying is that over a short sample of two games the puck is getting cleared after gudbranson gets possession at a rate that is above the average of the canuck d and he also gets a high rate of possession recoveries compared to the other d. otoh, the rate of controlled clearances that follow his possession is below average. this seems to correlate to his preference for chipping the puck up the boards to a forward who then chips it out past the pinching dman, a strategy that results in loss of possession a lot of the time but occasionally leads to odd man rushes.
we need a higher sample and more data to draw conclusions about gudbranson other than that over two games he got the puck out very efficiently when he got possession, and he gets possession more than his peers. however, it is useful to keep those stats in mind and watch how often he gets the puck out by making a pass or chip to a teammate.
I agree with this. If we could get him for 4 years, 2.5 million a year then sign me up. I like his skillset as well, you just have to not overpay for it. Let another team do that, and instead try to find a similar player on a cheaper contract that doesn't have the pedigree that always seems to inflate values.
Yeah 2 games
Look at some the other games
WPG = worst
EDM = worst
CGY = 2nd worst
OTT = worst
BOS = worst
Yeah 2 games
Look at some the other games
WPG = worst
EDM = worst
CGY = 2nd worst
OTT = worst
BOS = worst
I'm not the fact checking type, but assuming this is true, it's hard not to think that the person who put out the info over the last 2 games is well aware that those 2 games were a blip and is being really intellectually dishonest.
ok smart guy. go find the game summaries. his website does not link to them. i just scrolled throught a crapload of twitter to get to minnesota.
http://dissecttheblueline.weebly.com/
I wasn't taking a shot at you KD. I took your initial post to mean someone in media came out w a report showing only Guddys last 2 games. And if that's the case, I think it's super disingenuous.
reports are that he turned down Florida's 18 M over 4 yrs. He's way too cool, has too much pedigree, wayyy too big n tough, and is too nice of a guy in the community to accept anything less than 4.5 a season. It's tough for the guy who traded for him to just walk away from something he gave up so much for just 2 years ago.
It seems like most GMs turn off their brain on July 1st.Marc Bergevin literally just signed Karl alzner to 5/24. Benning might be an idiot but he's not the only one.
It seems like most GMs turn off their brain on July 1st.
heh, like I said, I'd hope our standards are higher than "at least our GM ain't the worst GM in the league"Marc Bergevin literally just signed Karl alzner to 5/24. Benning might be an idiot but he's not the only one.