Proposal: Elias Lindholm to Minnesota

[Dickie Dunn]

1) he’s hurt again
2) he’s a $10m cap hit. Not a lot of teams can simply add the 11th highest cap hit in a tight cap environment.
3) the supposed asking price is 4 1st round picks. 2 1st’s, Rossi and Kaprizov is rather substantially more than that asking price.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

1) he’s hurt again
2) he’s a $10m cap hit. Not a lot of teams can simply add the 11th highest cap hit in a tight cap environment.
3) the supposed asking price is 4 1st round picks. 2 1st’s, Rossi and Kaprizov is rather substantially more than that asking price.

That is the baseline for a conversation, as in a vague value standpoint for any sort of talk to start. Rossi and 2 1st's is the value of 3 first round picks, Kaprizov has the about the value of a 1st (depending on where that pick falls in a draft), that is exactly the value Buffalo would be looking for.

 

[Deen]

We will keep Lindy, thanks for coming out though. Not even a stretch to say he is our best player.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

It’s probably pretty darn close
Blue chip prospect and 2 1sts is pretty darn close to the reported ask of 4 1st round equivalents
And while someone may offer more value there’s not a penny of cap dump in that offer

Most who are interested would offer more, then one blue chipper, and two mid to low 1st rounders in one of the weakest drafts in recent memory.

Context is important here, those 1st rounders simply don't have the same value this year because of the overall lack of quality, many on here don't seem to get that.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Most who are interested would offer more, then one blue chipper, and two mid to low 1st rounders in one of the weakest drafts in recent memory.

Context is important here, those 1st rounders simply don't have the same value this year because of the overall lack of quality, many on here don't seem to get that.

Draft is weak at the top, where these picks won’t be. After that, hard to say. It’s the scouting that throws the biggest wrench into things this year though.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Draft is weak at the top, where these picks won’t be. After that, hard to say. It’s the scouting that throws the biggest wrench into things this year though.

Oh for sure, Covid makes things that much harder, that definitely adds to it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Oh for sure, Covid makes things that much harder, that definitely adds to it.

We’ll see how many 1st rounders move this year I guess.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Kinda funny putting that way...

I am not saying the wild should/shouldn't offer the above but to prove a point:


Lindy
54 points in 70 games last year.
on pace for 67 this year (if considering 82 game season)

Fiala - never cracked 55 points.
Dumba - 30-40 point dman
Rossi - TBD - first round pick

This is cherry picking stats out of contexts Lindholm has 54 points in 70 games last year... Fiala also had 54.. in 64 games. Lindholms on a 67 point pace, Fiala was on a 70 point pace past year. I don’t disagree that Lindholm is the more valuable asset because he has a 2, becoming 3, year track record as a top-line guy, but I just thought it was funny how you portrayed their respective stats

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

This is cherry picking stats out of contexts Lindholm has 54 points in 70 games last year... Fiala also had 54.. in 64 games. Lindholms on a 67 point pace, Fiala was on a 70 point pace past year. I don’t disagree that Lindholm is the more valuable asset because he has a 2, becoming 3, year track record as a top-line guy, but I just thought it was funny how you portrayed their respective stats

To be fair, you’re using Fiala’s stats from the same year to match up with 2 different years of Lindholm’s. Seems twisted towards our direction.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Lindholm is probably our most untouchable player at this point. You can have Monahan for things and maybe some stuff if you want.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

This is not co-signed by any other Minnesota fans here.

I co-sign it, Kaprizov has already had a game winning impact more times in this partial single season than Eichel has had in his career. You can say he has all the skill in the world but he averages 10 strides a shift, turns it over on lazy plays and never does anything in late game situations to help his team win. Eichel is a negative contract value player at this point in time who hasn't won a single thing as an adult hockey player.

Obviously its not going to be a popular take, but I would rather build a winning team around KK than JE, let alone throw in Fiala, Dumba, and Rossi.

This is way off topic though, I agree that both these teams make terrible trade partners. No real point in moving forward with the absurd requests.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I co-sign it, Kaprizov has already had a game winning impact more times in this partial single season than Eichel has had in his career. You can say he has all the skill in the world but he averages 10 strides a shift, turns it over on lazy plays and never does anything in late game situations to help his team win. Eichel is a negative contract value player at this point in time who hasn't won a single thing as an adult hockey player.

Obviously its not going to be a popular take, but I would rather build a winning team around KK than JE, let alone throw in Fiala, Dumba, and Rossi.

This is way off topic though, I agree that both these teams make terrible trade partners. No real point in moving forward with the absurd requests.

You have a really inflated idea of what Kaprizov has done this year, and I really like Kaprizov.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

You have a really inflated idea of what Kaprizov has done this year, and I really like Kaprizov.

Oh not at all, I just have an extremely low opinion of Eichel.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Oh not at all, I just have an extremely low opinion of Eichel.

Well, admission is usually the first step.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Well, admission is usually the first step.

I admit to watching him play the game and being disappointed every time that I do so.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I co-sign it, Kaprizov has already had a game winning impact more times in this partial single season than Eichel has had in his career. You can say he has all the skill in the world but he averages 10 strides a shift, turns it over on lazy plays and never does anything in late game situations to help his team win. Eichel is a negative contract value player at this point in time who hasn't won a single thing as an adult hockey player.

Obviously its not going to be a popular take, but I would rather build a winning team around KK than JE, let alone throw in Fiala, Dumba, and Rossi.

This is way off topic though, I agree that both these teams make terrible trade partners. No real point in moving forward with the absurd requests.

Im not sure if you are serious here? Buffalo is on what a 16 game loosing streak? Eichel hasn't played in 12 games. He's a top 10 center in the league so saying his contract is negative value is a fundamentally flawed statement. If Eichel is a negative value player he's the best negative value player in the world and I would trade anything for my team to acquire him. Eichel singlehanded controls the game when he's on the ice. Buffalo can't get it out of their zone without him.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Kaprizov has the about the value of a 1st (depending on where that pick falls in a draft), that is exactly the value Buffalo would be looking for.

ok, we’re done here. Have a nice life.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

ok, we’re done here. Have a nice life.

Oh my bad, is he worth more than a top 10 pick in the most recent draft? Is he worth more than Lafreniere?

 

[coopooter]

Most who are interested would offer more, then one blue chipper, and two mid to low 1st rounders in one of the weakest drafts in recent memory.

Context is important here, those 1st rounders simply don't have the same value this year because of the overall lack of quality, many on here don't seem to get that.

Sure
And they would offer tens of millions of dollars in cap dumps too

 

[Sota Popinski]

Oh my bad, is he worth more than a top 10 pick in the most recent draft? Is he worth more than Lafreniere?

Yes and yes.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Sure
And they would offer tens of millions of dollars in cap dumps too

I doubt if a rebuilding team, which Buffalo will be without Eichel, is really worried about taking a few cap dumps when they can get another highly coveted prospect. If Buf doesn't spend the money the fans will be extremely upset with them for being cheap. It's also not like they need the money to bring in UFA's teams like Wpg, Minnesota, Buf, are hardly high on the list as locations for coveted ufa. I know minnesota has had more success in the past than the other 2.

 

[coopooter]

I doubt if a rebuilding team, which Buffalo will be without Eichel, is really worried about taking a few cap dumps when they can get another highly coveted prospect. If Buf doesn't spend the money the fans will be extremely upset with them for being cheap. It's also not like they need the money to bring in UFA's teams like Wpg, Minnesota, Buf, are hardly high on the list as locations for coveted ufa. I know minnesota has had more success in the past than the other 2.

They can get futures for cap dumps in other ways if they want
Plenty of bad contracts out there

 

[Adam da bomb]

They can get futures for cap dumps in other ways if they want
Plenty of bad contracts out there

Yep but my point is I don't think they are going to be selling Eichel for a blue chip and 2 1sts just because there are no cap dumps in the deal. Sorry. Especially when you look at the other offers on here. Especially when it sounds like their big interest is a centre which Rossi is not.

 

[AKL]

Yep but my point is I don't think they are going to be selling Eichel for a blue chip and 2 1sts just because there are no cap dumps in the deal. Sorry. Especially when you look at the other offers on here. Especially when it sounds like their big interest is a centre which Rossi is not.

Well this is news to everyone but you

 

[Adam da bomb]

Well this is news to everyone but you

Surprise. I saved you the whole post I read bout how the person brought a whole team history bout ROR into it etc if you read the various eichel posts on here.
Also let’s you know where ur proposal stands versus others and this is a lowball offer.
A bit high for lindholm way too low for eichel.