Speculation: Eichel Megathread VII

[Lindberg Cheese]

So what teams are left and really, really in the Eichel bidding war?

 

[Kranix]

So what teams are left and really, really in the Eichel bidding war?

Whichever teams' local radio guys ask Friedman about it.

 

[Duck Off]

So what teams are left and really, really in the Eichel bidding war?

impossible to say. Sounds like Calgary, Anaheim, and NYR. I don’t think Vegas and Minnesota are “out” though

 

[Bazeek]

impossible to say. Sounds like Calgary, Anaheim, and NYR. I don’t think Vegas and Minnesota are “out” though

It's hard to count anyone out completely, but after filing for arbitration with Fiala I'm not sure what sort of deal the Wild could actually get done. They would likely need:

1. A third team willing to pay full price on Fiala while sending zero cap back to the Wild
   
2. Buffalo's asking price to drop substantially

2 will probably happen to some extent, but maybe not to the degree that the Wild are hoping for. I don't see 1 happening at all.

 

[Gabrielor]

So what teams are left and really, really in the Eichel bidding war?

At this point, who knows if even Buffalo is in on this.

 

[ItWasJustified]

I don’t think Vegas and Minnesota are “out” though

You just need to take a look at Vegas roster to realize they are completely out. There's nothing of value there for Buffalo in their current state.

Unless Kevyn Adams wants to embarrass Buffalo Sabres as a franchise in another deal. Then Vegas is definitely a front runner.

 

[Kranix]

That embedded Sabres video, made me not like the cut of Adams' jib

 

[Habs Halifax]

impossible to say. Sounds like Calgary, Anaheim, and NYR. I don’t think Vegas and Minnesota are “out” though

By the time someone with credibility hears something and reports it, there is like 15 more phone conversations with GM's. This is almost more fluid than Covid at this point.

 

[jay from jersey]

impossible to say. Sounds like Calgary, Anaheim, and NYR. I don’t think Vegas and Minnesota are “out” though

More then likely NYR (cap space/assets)
Outside shot of ANA/LA
Cal/LV/Minn would all need to send substantial cap back to buffalo for years to accommodate a trade.
Still looking like it might take a 3-way deal to get done somehow.
Still think NYR is the front runner, not that I’m thrilled by it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

More then likely NYR (cap space/assets)
Outside shot of ANA/LA
Cal/LV/Minn would all need to send substantial cap back to buffalo for years to accommodate a trade.
Still looking like it might take a 3-way deal to get done somehow.
Still think NYR is the front runner, not that I’m thrilled by it.

I don't think there is a front runner at this point. Sabres asking price is substantial and other teams are just trying to tinker with their packages they already offered. Sabres think someone will get desperate and it's not happening until his surgery is figured out. Too much risks to trade good young assets plus your 1st that could be a lottery pick... when Eichel might not play half a season

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

More then likely NYR (cap space/assets)
Outside shot of ANA/LA
Cal/LV/Minn would all need to send substantial cap back to buffalo for years to accommodate a trade.
Still looking like it might take a 3-way deal to get done somehow.
Still think NYR is the front runner, not that I’m thrilled by it.

FYI LA has next to zero cap space

 

[Taluss]

So what teams are left and really, really in the Eichel bidding war?

Really Really in? Idk. Just pure speculation on who I think is out though: Wild (apparently backed out) Ducks (Lost 3rd ov pick) , LA (They have enough centres for eternity) , CBJ .

I’d guess Rangers are still in and he goes to Vegas.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Pretty sure the Habs offer is...

Kotkaniemi
Guhle
2023 1st
2024 1st
Drouin (cap reasons)

* It's possible that Bergevin might offer them one of KK/Poehling and one of Guhle/Romanov.
* I don't see any other team offering a Suzuki or Caufield type piece and I feel the Sabres are annoyed by this. Not just with the Habs, but with all teams calling them with offers.

 

[jay from jersey]

FYI LA has next to zero cap space

Yea their recent moves, especially Danault signal they are more an outside shot more then anything at this point. I also doubt the ducks want to give up a lot. Even with Eichel, losing the assets it takes to get him would set their rebuild back a little bit, just to make them a little better now, but worse off later

 

[Chaels Arms]

The actual surgery itself for the players that got it was fine it was how it effected their careers after. Letang is the only one that seems to have been fine long term from it

I can't find confirmation anywhere that Letang had a fusion done. It could have been a discectomy.

 

[Fatass]

I can't find confirmation anywhere that Letang had a fusion done. It could have been a discectomy.

I think Removing the disc (and not putting in a new synthetic one) forces the vertebrae to fuse. The surgeon adds a patch between the vertebrae to stimulate bone growth so they fuse. I think the doctor screws a plate across the joint too. Letang must have gotten that procedure.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think Removing the disc (and not putting in a new synthetic one) forces the vertebrae to fuse. The surgeon adds a patch between the vertebrae to stimulate bone growth so they fuse. I think the doctor screws a plate across the joint too. Letang must have gotten that procedure.

Seems scary to think about it it was me!

When I look at how he got hurt, I'm like... WTF? That didn't look that bad

 

[Fatass]

Pretty sure the Habs offer is...

Kotkaniemi
Guhle
2023 1st
2024 1st
Drouin (cap reasons)

* It's possible that Bergevin might offer them one of KK/Poehling and one of Guhle/Romanov.
* I don't see any other team offering a Suzuki or Caufield type piece and I feel the Sabres are annoyed by this. Not just with the Habs, but with all teams calling them with offers.

If the Habs are offering this, then the Sabres should 100% take it. Kotkaniemi is an excellent return. Then add the firsts too! The firsts must be conditional though. That would be maybe keeping this from happening? What are the conditions?

 

[DJJones]

Seems like the Rangers and Ducks could put together the best package, just not sure if they'd want too.

Calgary can't match the return but would actually do it.

 

[Fatass]

Seems scary to think about it it was me!

When I look at how he got hurt, I'm like... WTF? That didn't look that bad

It’s crazy such a young guy is have so series neck troubles.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If the Habs are offering this, then the Sabres should 100% take it. Kotkaniemi is an excellent return. Then add the firsts too! The firsts must be conditional though. That would be maybe keeping this from happening? What are the conditions?

I'd put conditions on how many games Eichel plays. Cause if he is not healthy and has issues with his neck that linger on, those 1st can be lottery picks if the Habs don't have Eichel in the line-up.

That I believe is our max offer. We can't go deeper.

Draft is in Montreal next year. I believe we will want to keep our 1st. This gives one full calendar year to get Eichel healthy again. If he has issues and it lingers into 22/23, the 1st's would come with these types of conditions...

Conditions could be something like this...
2023 1st (Top 10 protected if Eichel don't play 100 games in two seasons).
2024 1st (Becomes a 2nd if Eichel don't play 150 games from 21/22 to 23/24)

 

[Fatass]

I'd put conditions on how many games Eichel plays. Cause if he is not healthy and has issues with his neck that linger on, those 1st can be lottery picks if the Habs don't have Eichel in the line-up.

That I believe is our max offer. We can't go deeper.

Agreed. Jack plays < 60 games in each of the seasons of the first round pick, and it becomes a third?

 

[Habs Halifax]

It’s crazy such a young guy is have so series neck troubles.

In 2 years time, this could be something people laugh at or it could be something that derails his career. This is why teams are reluctant to go all in on him in a trade.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Agreed. Jack plays < 60 games in each of the seasons of the first round pick, and it becomes a third?

Something around games played yes. It would have to be carefully thought through to make it fair to both the Sabres and Habs. If Eichel plays, that means he is healthy and the Habs might be OK to give up unprotected 1st's. However, if he don't play, his injuries linger on and those 1st have to be tied to games played

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I'd put conditions on how many games Eichel plays. Cause if he is not healthy and has issues with his neck that linger on, those 1st can be lottery picks if the Habs don't have Eichel in the line-up.

That I believe is our max offer. We can't go deeper.

Draft is in Montreal next year. I believe we will want to keep our 1st. This gives one full calendar year to get Eichel healthy again. If he has issues and it lingers into 22/23, the 1st's would come with these types of conditions...

Conditions could be something like this...
2023 1st (Top 10 protected if Eichel don't play 100 games in two seasons).
2024 1st (Becomes a 2nd if Eichel don't play 150 games from 21/22 to 23/24)

The Sabres can always send Florida’s 2022 1st to Montreal as a guarantee that the Habs have a 1st next year. But no conditions on the Habs 2022 1st

I know that’s not preferable, especially if it means the Habs pick results in the Sabres picking Savoie, or even worse, Wright, but it would mean Drouin is gone, which I think is a plus for you guys.

And if the Habs pick wins the lottery, it wouldn’t count as a lottery win for the Sabres, which would result in “Tampa is a bunch of cheaters” level salt on here.