Speculation: Eichel Megathread VII

[Lshap]

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[SI90]

Free Jack

 

[The Blunder Years]

Neck Eichel

 

[quackquackquack]

ANOTHER mistake by Buffalo. He should have been traded this past weekend after the agent released the statement. They are really playing with fire here. When disgruntled players/agents go out of their way to release statements like that, its not soon - its NOW.

 

[WiHockeyGuy]

ANOTHER mistake by Buffalo. He should have been traded this past weekend after the agent released the statement. They are really playing with fire here. When disgruntled players/agents go out of their way to release statements like that, its not soon - its NOW.

So take whatever is out there because the agents applied public pressure? That seems like a great way to get bent over in a trade.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

The cap is always the league cap. If you put someone on LTIR it’s still the league cap, but you get to exceed it by the LTIR amount. The cap ceiling doesn’t change to your cap hit plus the LTIR. Perhaps you’re not wording it well because that would mean a team with a $75m cap hit would have that as their ceiling if they put someone on LTIR and thus would have a lower cap ceiling than the rest of the league.

I was explaining it in simple terms. Its called an LTIR Relief Pool

Also no you dont get to exceed it by the LTIR amount. They can exceed it by their Accrued Cap Space Limit (ACSL) + their LTIR relief pool - the Leagues Upper Limit

As for your 75M team example, not thats only their ACSL

 

[Richiebottles]

This thread will continue forever won’t it?

 

[Big Empty]

Eichel for Logan Mailloux.

Take it or leave it.

 

[ChuckLefley]

I was explaining it in simple terms. Its called an LTIR Relief Pool

Also no you dont get to exceed it by the LTIR amount. They can exceed it by their Accrued Cap Space Limit (ACSL) + their LTIR relief pool - the Leagues Upper Limit

As for your 75M team example, not thats only their ACSL

Yea, I was putting it in simple terms as well, that’s why I simply said you get to exceed it by the LTIR.

Once again, the Cap ceiling is the same for every team, regardless of LTIR.

 

[Thrasymachus]

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

This thread will continue forever won’t it?

at least until September

 

[2Pair]

So take whatever is out there because the agents applied public pressure? That seems like a great way to get bent over in a trade.

Adams pretty much guaranteed that he would get bent over when he failed to trade him before the draft. The offers are only going to get worse the more he waits

 

[WiHockeyGuy]

Adams pretty much guaranteed that he would get bent over when he failed to trade him before the draft. The offers are only going to get worse the more he waits

Unless the offers to this point have been massive underpayments. I'm fine with Adams slow rolling this.

 

[Jim Bob]

Adams pretty much guaranteed that he would get bent over when he failed to trade him before the draft. The offers are only going to get worse the more he waits

That is not the impression that Friedman and Marek gave on their podcast this morning.

And they mentioned that Adams is doing the NHL GM thing of showing that a player and his agent can't push him around.

 

[Diaspora]

Megathread VII???!!!

Was it something I said?

 

[8999]

How much of this is really about the surgery vs. just wanting out of BUF?

Any chance Eichel is insisting on the surgery because he knows BUF won't budge?

Would be fascinating if he suddenly 'changed his mind' about getting the surgery after being traded.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Unless the offers to this point have been massive underpayments. I'm fine with Adams slow rolling this.

The problem is that there is no reason for the offers to get better the longer this goes. Things just get uglier and uglier for Adams, not better the longer this goes and pretty soon, no one will be able to afford taking back $10m w/o moving out contracts. So instead of futures, Adams will have to take on money. The "let him rot" discussion is ridiculous....no team wants that headache. His ownership will pull the rug out from under him before they allow an entire season of "what's up with Eichel?" everyday.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I'm curious at what point teams are going to just say **** it, we need to make other arrangements. The surgery timetables are a big one. Buffalo may run out of runway if they slow roll this too much.

 

[Mr Positive]

ANOTHER mistake by Buffalo. He should have been traded this past weekend after the agent released the statement. They are really playing with fire here. When disgruntled players/agents go out of their way to release statements like that, its not soon - its NOW.

But why? They traded Ristolainen and Reinhart. The team is back into full tank mode. The Eichel situation is a distraction and a cancer, but that can only help their tanking. There's nothing there to destroy.

Of course you want to make good feelings around the rebuild, much like how Arizona is quickly turning general sentiment in their favor again, and the Eichel situation is painful and embarrassing.

However, getting that trade correct is too important. There's no shortage of outside fans and pundits who want it to happen, but that's for entertainment value.

No GM was more laughed at ridiculed than Joe Sakic. Everyone said he was over his head. I know as an Oiler fan Chiarelli gets a ton of abuse, but it's more of a general thing compared to the white hot abuse Sakic took (and BTW it was the same for Yzerman in Tampa, which everyone forgets). But, he waited for the right moves, and not to satisfy the mob.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

This thread will continue forever won’t it?

Nah. About another 44 pages. Then it’s on to part VIII!

 

[Jim Bob]

The problem is that there is no reason for the offers to get better the longer this goes. Things just get uglier and uglier for Adams, not better the longer this goes and pretty soon, no one will be able to afford taking back $10m w/o moving out contracts. So instead of futures, Adams will have to take on money. The "let him rot" discussion is ridiculous....no team wants that headache. His ownership will pull the rug out from under him before they allow an entire season of "what's up with Eichel?" everyday.

So far, Adams has been able to do a lot of things that previous GMs were not allowed to do by the Pegulas. That talks to how much the Pegulas trust Adams.

I doubt there is pressure to make a move this season from ownership. I think the next point in time where ownership might get involved is when we get closer to the $7.5M bonus payment next year.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

How much of this is really about the surgery vs. just wanting out of BUF?

Any chance Eichel is insisting on the surgery because he knows BUF won't budge?

Would be fascinating if he suddenly 'changed his mind' about getting the surgery after being traded.

His neck is jacked. That much is true. He will need treatment of some kind in order to get back to a reasonable extent to the athlete he was before. It's also true that he wants out of Buffalo and that relationship is toast. It's also true that 1) Eichel and his camp has aired the dirty laundry as part of a power play 2) Adams is digging in because he wants best value. I think there is some risk in Adams' approach but at the end of the day I think that Eichel is going to get the treatment he wants and Adams will find a suitor that will pay up.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

And the Ceichel continues.

This is a never ending Ceichel.

I guess just choose one.

 

[bsu]

This needs to end..... yesterday....

 

[Mr Positive]

I'm curious at what point teams are going to just say **** it, we need to make other arrangements. The surgery timetables are a big one. Buffalo may run out of runway if they slow roll this too much.

I'm struggling to see the consequence if they run out of that runway