Proposal: Eichel Mega Thread

[SRHRangers]

No ones taking skinner to get to trade futures for Eichel. That’s ridiculous, who wants to assume a multi year 64 million dollar debt on top of what you have to pay Eichel for the next 6. Buffalo has got to bite the bullet with this guy. It’s a huge factor of what’s making that room toxic

The fact that the coach won't put Skinner with Eichel, who have had success before in the past,is also a pretty big issue.

Skinner is a dog, but him and Eichel can get 25 onto Skinners stick in their sleep.

 

[Lt Dan]

IMO there is zero chance of getting Kakko, a very early first and another top young d. That’s just a fantasy land imo. If Kakko were to go back, the big pluses are not going with him imo. Having said that I don’t think NYR are even considering moving Kakko. The value is ok but it’s just not practical for them.

Imo LA is by far the best match for Eichel if they think they have a run left with Doughty, Kopitar, Brown, etc. If they don’t, then it’d make sense to keep the kids probably and at least see what they have before moving them.

It's funny because as a Kings fan, I see the Rangers as the more obvious fit. We have an abundance of centers, where the Rangers need one

Re the kings:

I will define "Doughty, Kopitar Brown, Etc" as the ones mentioned + quick and Carter . I don't think that that core has another run in it. Quick is much better this year, but has his moments and is not the J Quick of the past. Brown is/was on a hot streak, but is close to being done as a player. Carter is done.
Doughty and Kopitar still have plenty of gas in the tank.

I think the Kings would be much better served to wait a year or two and see how many more surprises they have in the farm system and trade for their game breaker in a couple more seasons

 

[is the answer jesus]

I believe there is a happy medium between Eichel being traded for pennies and Buffalo robbing a team blind on the return

but that’s not a sexy answer, nor one Buffalo fans seem interested in hearing about

I don't view asking for a top prospect like Byfield, Zegras, Turcotte, etc "robbing a team blind". What I view as "robbing a team blind" is trying to acquire one of the best players in the league, in his prime, with a ton of term left on his contract and having an untouchables list that is several players long.

 

[Seventyx7]

Great context, and you removed the part after AND which is the biggest part. They have the biggest need at center, but you do you. The Kings have their best prospects at center, the Rangers do not.

If you think LA is further along in the process of making the playoffs, you're also severely mistaken.

Both points are clearly wrong . LA has the more valuable assets Buffalo would be interested in. Top center prospects like Vilardi/Turcotte, and a next tier of Kupari/Madden/Thomas etc. Not to mention the better/deeper prospect pool overall.

Secondly, LA has better points %, better veterans, and are closer to a playoff spot than the Rangers. What makes the Rangers further ahead exactly?

 

[jay from jersey]

The fact that the coach won't put Skinner with Eichel, who have had success before in the past,is also a pretty big issue.

Skinner is a dog, but him and Eichel can get 25 onto Skinners stick in their sleep.

But you would still lose the game 95 percent of the time. Skinner plays no D and avoids contact. Eichel’s not the greatest Defender to begin with. You really want that rubbing off on him?

 

[Hasekperreault23]

As a Rangers fan that makes it very easy to just to walk away and be content with that decision. If they want to give up a top prospect for a player who clearly wants out, then let them go ahead and do that. The Rangers don't need Eichel. He'd be nice to have but with the winger group we're amassing we can get by with competent, complimentary players down the middle.

Who said he clearly wants out? Source?

 

[SRHRangers]

But you would still lose the game 95 percent of the time. Skinner plays no D and avoids contact. Eichel’s not the greatest Defender to begin with. You really want that rubbing off on him?

If you're gonna lose anyway, you might as well get something for your money with Skinner right? Lol

 

[Pinkfloyd]

How does Buffalo fans view someone like Thomas Bordeleau as a prospect as it relates to being in a package for Eichel?

 

[Lt Dan]

Secondly, LA has better points %, ?

I'll dispute this point
I am a kings fan, but there is no question that the Rangers are playing a tougher division. It's p[retty much impossible to go by a metric like that this season because of the way the schedule is

 

[jay from jersey]

If you're gonna lose anyway, you might as well get something for your money with Skinner right? Lol

Stick him on 3rd line with a forechecking winger and a semi creative center who both play D well and stick him with jack on the Pp. at least that way he can’t do them too much damage.

 

[Not My Tempo]

I love all of the people listing their untouchables. We’re talking about one of the 5 most talented players in the world, who is in his prime, but Quinton Byfield is absolutely off the table.

The only untouchables currently in the league for Eichel should be McDavid, Matthews and Mackinnon.

 

[unicornpig]

rangers fans are so delusional as always. love it.

 

[unicornpig]

I'll dispute this point
I am a kings fan, but there is no question that the Rangers are playing a tougher division. It's p[retty much impossible to go by a metric like that this season because of the way the schedule is

this is wrong but ok.

 

[Hasekperreault23]

But you would still lose the game 95 percent of the time. Skinner plays no D and avoids contact. Eichel’s not the greatest Defender to begin with. You really want that rubbing off on him?

Eichels defence has been very good the last 2 years and although Skinner sucks defensively he doesn't avoid contact at all he is a hound draws lots of penalties. Are we talking about the same players?Or is it to get your point across?

 

[SRHRangers]

The only untouchables currently in the league for Eichel should be McDavid, Matthews and Mackinnon.

There's more because of the cap and ELC. Also because of how a team is structured.

You really think for example, Tampa would deal Point for Eichel?

 

[Kravtsov420]

This thread will be very interesting when or even if this trade goes down. And I’m willing to bet money that some people are going to be shocked. Looking at the Sorbos fans rn, (and no, that wasn’t a typo).

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

How does Buffalo fans view someone like Thomas Bordeleau as a prospect as it relates to being in a package for Eichel?

Hed be a sweetener rather than a significant piece imo for guy like Eichel.

 

[Seventyx7]

I'll dispute this point
I am a kings fan, but there is no question that the Rangers are playing a tougher division. It's p[retty much impossible to go by a metric like that this season because of the way the schedule is

Valid, but its just one point to show that the argument NYR is somehow way ahead is not accurate. It is not a “severely mistaken” point of view that the Kings are on a similar timeline to NYR in terms of making the playoffs, which was the argument.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Both points are clearly wrong . LA has the more valuable assets Buffalo would be interested in. Top center prospects like Vilardi/Turcotte, and a next tier of Kupari/Madden/Thomas etc. Not to mention the better/deeper prospect pool overall.

Secondly, LA has better points %, better veterans, and are closer to a playoff spot than the Rangers. What makes the Rangers further ahead exactly?

Byfield is curiously absent from the LA cupboard of goodies.

 

[Lt Dan]

this is wrong but ok.

So we are clear you are saying the West is a tougher division that the East?

This may be the first time I have seen anyone say that here.

I am a fan of a west division team and I fully admit that the East is a tougher division

 

[Lt Dan]

Byfield is curiously absent from the LA cupboard of goodies.

Did you miss this part of his post?

LA has the more valuable assets Buffalo would be interested in

The kings have no plans to trade Byfield

 

[Lt Dan]

Valid, but its just one point to show that the argument NYR is somehow way ahead is not accurate. It is not a “severely mistaken” point of view that the Kings are on a similar timeline to NYR in terms of making the playoffs, which was the argument.

I agree with all of what you posted here

 

[jay from jersey]

Eichels defenceman has been very good the last 2 years and although Skinner sucks defensively he doesn't avoid contact at all he is a hound draws lots of penalties. Are we talking about the same players?Or is it to get your point across?

Yea the same skinner with a concussion history as long as my third leg. He’s a real bowling ball out there. Eichel is a pretty good D center. There are better 200 ft players for sure. Eichel was so good the last 2 years because he used his speed and was shooting the puck

 

[Not My Tempo]

There's more because of the cap and ELC. Also because of how a team is structured.

You really think for example, Tampa would deal Point for Eichel?

I think if Buffalo calls Tampa saying they want a deal centered around Eichel for Point, and Tampa responds by saying Point is a nonstarter then yeah I think that's silly.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I don't view asking for a top prospect like Byfield, Zegras, Turcotte, etc "robbing a team blind". What I view as "robbing a team blind" is trying to acquire one of the best players in the league, in his prime, with a ton of term left on his contract and having an untouchables list that is several players long.

Realistically, you can get one of those on top of a decent roster player, a pick and probably a cap dump. There’s no way thought that a team will give a solid roster player, two of their top 3 top prospect ++