Blue Jays Discussion: Edwin, Donaldson, Saunders, Sanchez, Estrada to the ASG

[Muston Atthews]

Do you think Shep is just waiting for an excuse to blow this team up and bring in his own players think can win?

I'd welcome Carrasco Salazar and Brantley with open arms

 

[Eyedea]

Do you think Shep is just waiting for an excuse to blow this team up and bring in his own players think can win?

Yes he's going to blow it up by trading all of our good players to Cleveland for all of their bad players

 

[dredeye]

They used the fall of the Cdn $ , as an excuse not to raise the salary budget.

God this stuff gets old. The "excuse" raised their actual payroll 25% without actually doing anything different and payroll still increased. We are spending like a big market team.

 

[Rysto]

So the Jays scored 6 runs without a single extra base hit or error from their opponents. The lesson is that small ball can work as long as you get fantastic sequencing.

 

[Eyedea]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...2016&ind=0&team=&rost=&age=0&filter=&players=

Position player fWAR over the last calendar year of games. JD and EE both top 5 in wRC+ as well.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...am=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=20,d

Also RA9-WAR leaders. Kershaw (11.9), Arrieta (11.1), Zack Greinke (7.5), Marco Estrada (6.7)... (Happ and Dickey make appearances on the first page too)

 

[theaub]

God this stuff gets old. The "excuse" raised their actual payroll 25% without actually doing anything different and payroll still increased. We are spending like a big market team.

Wait where did it raise their payroll? The CAD was trading at 0.7958 on 7/2/15 and was trading at 0.7786 at close yesterday (and with the way players are paid the Jays missed the majority of the collapse earlier in the year).

Not to mention the Jays operate in USD, budget in USD, and receive a non-insignificant portion (ie everything but stadium-related revenues) in USD.

The CAD thing has been nothing but an excuse from the days of Paul Godfrey to try to get stuff from the Discretionary Fund. And the payroll is flat from last year...

 

[AlienWorkShop]

I would be very interested to see the evidence behind this.

Not the mention it depends entirely on the current construction of the team.

But... zeke said it so confidently?

 

[RedRenegade]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...2016&ind=0&team=&rost=&age=0&filter=&players=

Position player fWAR over the last calendar year of games. JD and EE both top 5 in wRC+ as well.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...am=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=20,d

Also RA9-WAR leaders. Kershaw (11.9), Arrieta (11.1), Zack Greinke (7.5), Marco Estrada (6.7)... (Happ and Dickey make appearances on the first page too)

Good stuff, thanks for posting. I was a bit surprised to see Dickey on the pitching list. Soon Sanchez will be up there if he keeps going the way he is.

 

[rojac]

Do you think Shep is just waiting for an excuse to blow this team up and bring in his own players think can win?

So, what exactly did Shapiro do or not do to make you refer to him like an old sheep dog?

 

[Discoverer]

Do you think Shep is just waiting for an excuse to blow this team up and bring in his own players think can win?

This might be the worst conspiracy theory ever.

 

[Sokil]

Do you think Shep is just waiting for an excuse to blow this team up and bring in his own players think can win?

I'm sure that would be a great sell to ownership

"Guys, I know we're a contender, and I know we're leading the AL in attendance and making you boat loads of cash...but this roster is missing my scent. I need to blow it up."

 

[Discoverer]

I'm sure that would be a great sell to ownership

"Guys, I know we're a contender, and I know we're leading the AL in attendance and making you boat loads of cash...but this roster is missing my scent. I need to blow it up."

"It just doesn't feel right, you know?"

 

[frost king]

God this stuff gets old. The "excuse" raised their actual payroll 25% without actually doing anything different and payroll still increased. We are spending like a big market team.

Toronto Blue Jays Payroll 2013 - $131.7M, 2014 - $146.8M, 2015 - $140.6M, 2016 - $146.7M. As per SPOTRAC MLB Payroll Tracker. They ranked 9th, 9th, 10th and currently 12th. they are not spending like a big market team, in terms of US dollars. To get to the next level of teams, you need to add $15-20M in annual payroll, to reach the $160M mark. Even then, that bumps you up 1-2 spots on the list, to get into the top levels, you need to bump it up $30M. With this type of structure, the signing of Bautista ($30M) and Encarnacion ($20M), is not going to happen. This would leave no money on the table for the other group of free agents on the team. By saying goodbye to Bautista, you can pay Encarnacion, and still have money on the table to pay everyone else. This is the juggling, that the Black Hawks do every spring to keep their team competitive.

 

[Scrub*]

Aaron Sanchez is 13th in fWar among all mlb starters.

Kershaw
Syndergaard
Fernandez
Cueto
Quintana
Kluber
Sale
Arrieta
Tanaka
Strasburg
Bumgarner
Salazar
Sanchez
Greinke

 

[hoglund]

I'm sure that would be a great sell to ownership

"Guys, I know we're a contender, and I know we're leading the AL in attendance and making you boat loads of cash...but this roster is missing my scent. I need to blow it up."

I don't know who you're quoting, but I hope it's a joke.

 

[Muston Atthews]

I don't know who you're quoting, but I hope it's a joke.

Didn't you see the Shi Davidi interview with Ross Atkins with Shapiro hovering over him?

 

[hoglund]

Didn't you see the Shi Davidi interview with Ross Atkins with Shapiro hovering over him?

I can't say that I did, is this what they said? I hope not.

 

[rojac]

I can't say that I did, is this what they said? I hope not.

It's people making fun of the paranoia of Trellaine201 and company.

 

[trellaine201]

There was suggestions that Shep is maybe waiting for an excuse. *shrug*

 

[hoglund]

There was suggestions that Shep is maybe waiting for an excuse. *shrug*

Who is "Shep"? Is that Shapiros nickname?

 

[Discoverer]

There was suggestions that Shep is maybe waiting for an excuse. *shrug*

You mean from other fans? Yeah, probably.

 

[The Nemesis]

Toronto Blue Jays Payroll 2013 - $131.7M, 2014 - $146.8M, 2015 - $140.6M, 2016 - $146.7M. As per SPOTRAC MLB Payroll Tracker. They ranked 9th, 9th, 10th and currently 12th. they are not spending like a big market team, in terms of US dollars. To get to the next level of teams, you need to add $15-20M in annual payroll, to reach the $160M mark. Even then, that bumps you up 1-2 spots on the list, to get into the top levels, you need to bump it up $30M. With this type of structure, the signing of Bautista ($30M) and Encarnacion ($20M), is not going to happen. This would leave no money on the table for the other group of free agents on the team. By saying goodbye to Bautista, you can pay Encarnacion, and still have money on the table to pay everyone else. This is the juggling, that the Black Hawks do every spring to keep their team competitive.

I would be interested in seeing how those payroll #s convert $Cdn using historical exchange rates. Because I suspect that might paint a useful picture as to why (in part) the #s have been what they are/were.

also I would agrue that if the team is spending in the top 10 in payroll even with a vacillating exchange rate that seems pretty 'big market' to me.

Who is "Shep"? Is that Shapiros nickname?

Seems like another attempt to foist a doofy nickname on management because it's easier to make fun of them if they sound like the bumbling villain of a saturday morning cartoon. Kind of like "shatkins" to describe the pair of new FO guys.

 

[zeke]

"top 10" is meaningless if it's barely above average and far below the top teams.

 

[theaub]

Yes, CAD payroll goes up (see below, although also note that the 2016 payroll includes all draft signing bonuses and is like $10M CAD overstated to what it should actually be). This only uses rates from April-September (or Q2 for this year).

2013: $135.8M
2014: $160.0M
2015: $173.7M
2016: $189.0M

However, this remains irrelevant for a number of reasons

- All media/advertising revenue the Blue Jays receive is in USD, which I would approximate to be 50% of their total revenue (and of course, should be higher than 50%)
- Even when converting to USD, the Blue Jays have above average ticket and concession prices, which are the only revenues they receive in CAD
- The only year the Blue Jays would have reasonably seen their F/X projections fail them was last year, where needless to say they received more than enough revenue to offset it.

Of course, maybe they won't truly spend until they get some, ahem, sustainable favourable exchange rates.

 

[canucksfan]

Shep Proudfoot?