Elks: Edmonton Eskimos 2018 v2

[Paralyzer]

I agree, it was probably time for Ray to go but the return was essentially for magic beans that never sprouted.

The EE had itself to blame for the fiasco. Many people didn't want ET and his reputation for trading #1 QBs but he was hired anyway-- against the wishes of the paying customer. This deeply angered a lot fans who said-- no more of my money. Going against the wishes of your clients has a habit of backfiring on you. The back to back train wrecks of DM and ET did significant damage.

Ditto for Oiler GM Chia. He had a rep for trading away young stars who had run afoul of his "fully mature and no party stuff by age 21" mantra. We hired him anyway.

And yet, we made the Playoffs with him for the first time since 2006. Funny coincidence don't ya think?

 

[MoontoScott]

And yet, we made the Playoffs with him for the first time since 2006. Funny coincidence don't ya think?

Is it possible that it might have been in spite of him?

 

[oXo Cube]

Could we not derail this thread into yet another discussion about how much Chia sucks please?

 

[MoneyGuy]

I still think Ray was gifted to Toronto.
That trades still bugs me.
I think it was time for Ray to go, but that deal was such a ripoff I don't see how it wasn't league orchestrated.

It wasn’t.

Tillman later said that he regretted that trade.

 

[MoneyGuy]

Adarius Bowman has been traded to Montreal.

Kavis is in full save-my-job-da**-the-consequences mode.

 

[joestevens29]

Adarius Bowman has been traded to Montreal.

Kavis is in full save-my-job-da**-the-consequences mode.

Bowman already dealt? Was he any good this year

 

[MessierII]

Bowman already dealt? Was he any good this year

No he was struggling. Couldn’t find any chemistry with Nichols.

 

[Paralyzer]

Is it possible that it might have been in spite of him?

I don't believe in that bull****. He made trades that needed to be done to make us a playoff team again.

 

[joestevens29]

No he was struggling. Couldn’t find any chemistry with Nichols.

Not a bad thing that we dropped him then.

 

[MoontoScott]

I don't believe in that bull****. He made trades that needed to be done to make us a playoff team again.

Too bad he didn't do it two years in a row. That might dispel the bull**** theory?

 

[MoontoScott]

Not a bad thing that we dropped him then.

As Hufnagel often says--better to make a move on older guys a year too early as opposed to a year too late.

 

[guymez]

I am going to buck the trend a little.
I dont think Montreal is as bad as their record. I think their defence isnt as bad as it appears...TOP is the biggest enemy for that team. Thats a problem due to their underwhelming options at QB and inability to maintain ball possession.
They clearly paid too much for him but if Manziel can get his feet under him by early August I think he could be a difference maker for Montreal.

 

[BarDownBobo]

Do you think Manziel’s people got impatient and pushed for a trade out of Hamilton?

I think they probably asked Hamilton to move him somewhere he could start but the huge payment that Montreal made to get him was likely the biggest reason it happened.

 

[MoneyGuy]

Too bad he didn't do it two years in a row. That might dispel the bull**** theory?

Are you another who feels that the league mandated/influenced the Ray trade?

 

[joestevens29]

No first for three years and the team is already struggling. Huge gamble. Especially with another league coming up next year in the USA

 

[MoontoScott]

Are you another who feels that the league mandated/influenced the Ray trade?

Not in the least. I am not a conspiracy nut but I do believe in things like bad character and bad choices.

We hired a guy we shouldn't have and he made a bad deal but worse than that he damaged the credibility of the football team because of his unsavoury charcteristics. We knew his rep but ignored it. At least DM and Reed were well liked by people around the EE.

 

[Gord]

Bowman already dealt? Was he any good this year

even taking into account the Winnipeg QB, I'd say he's sucked.

6 games, only 9 receptions on 24 targets, 95 yards receiving.
6th on his team in receiving yards.

 

[MoneyGuy]

Not in the least. I am not a conspiracy nut but I do believe in things like bad character and bad choices.

We hired a guy we shouldn't have and he made a bad deal but worse than that he damaged the credibility of the football team because of his unsavoury charcteristics. We knew his rep but ignored it. At least DM and Reed were well liked by people around the EE.

The two conspiracies discussed lately are that the CFL stepped in and mandated the Ray trade and that the Esks have broken the law by withholding 50-50 jackpots to get more people into the stadium.

Both are as ridiculous as they are offensive.

 

[iCanada]

Idk about withholding, but I could see them antiing up the 70000 number up front.

I think it'd pay off. Only need like 4000 extra bodies in the seats to have it pay for itself minus any concessions cash, plus you likely sell more 50/50 tickets for next charity.

Idk, I doubt that would be illegal, and it's kinda a win win win. Would just likely need a different permit from the AGLC.

 

[MoontoScott]

The two conspiracies discussed lately are that the CFL stepped in and mandated the Ray trade and that the Esks have broken the law by withholding 50-50 jackpots to get more people into the stadium.

Both are as ridiculous as they are offensive.

I do not believe for a moment that either of these theories are true or have any credibility whatsoever. The EE have had their problems in the last decade but they are certainly not law breakers.

 

[Gord]

The two conspiracies discussed lately are that the CFL stepped in and mandated the Ray trade and that the Esks have broken the law by withholding 50-50 jackpots to get more people into the stadium.

Both are as ridiculous as they are offensive.

I can believe Tillman made a bad deal, but it was so bad, how could people not question it? and offensive? seriously?

you can say it's a ridiculous thought, but it offensive?

the only way I could see it offending you is if esks management from the time are your friends and you feel it besmirches their reputation.

but face it, when a deal is so bad, many people had to question why it was made, there is nothing offensive to suggest something was for "the good of the league"


as for the other. I don't think in any way shape or form would the esks manipulate the 50/50.
likely the winning ticket went home early because of the rain and they never bothered to check their ticket (or they lost it)

 

[MoontoScott]

Idk about withholding, but I could see them antiing up the 70000 number up front.

I think it'd pay off. Only need like 4000 extra bodies in the seats to have it pay for itself minus any concessions cash, plus you likely sell more 50/50 tickets for next charity.

Idk, I doubt that would be illegal, and it's kinda a win win win.

It certainly isn't win-win.

By doing something like this you could risk being charged in a court of law with fraud and for certain your license to run the gambling game would be suspended indefinitely. Not to mention the damage to the reputation of the football team and the league.

 

[iCanada]

It certainly isn't win-win.

By doing something like this you could risk being charged in a court of law with fraud and for certain your licence to run the game would be suspended indefinitely. Not to mention the damage to the reputation of the football team and the league.

Is it fraud though? You'd just need a different permit than your standard for 50/50s. Not a big deal at all imo. Charity is getting their money, tax man is getting their money...

No one loses anything. Who would sue? No one is losing anything. So long as your permits checked out it would be all kosher.

 

[joestevens29]

Is it fraud though? You'd just need a different permit than your standard for 50/50s. Not a big deal at all imo. Charity is getting their money, tax man is getting their money...

No one loses anything. Who would sue? No one is losing anything. So long as your permits checked out it would be all kosher.

just the people buying tickets. Be a class action lawsuit by anyone who ever bought a 50-50

 

[MoontoScott]

Is it fraud though? You'd just need a different permit than your standard for 50/50s. Not a big deal at all imo. Charity is getting their money, tax man is getting their money...

No one loses anything. Who would sue? No one is losing anything. So long as your permits checked out it would be all kosher.

Well, I am certainly not a legal expert but when you run a gambling game where the result is artificially fixed then that is definitely illegal, the same way that shaving points and running ponzi schemes are.

Its not a question of who would sue you but the authorities are going to charge you to set an example, especially with an entity that is as well know as the Esks. If they just let that go then the people at the Casinos around town and every horse racer in the country simply follows suit.