[EDM/MON] Petry for 2nd & cond. 5th

[Mr Positive]

Ya, I just laughed when management was trying to convince the fans he's a #5 dman. He's a good 2nd pairing dman, and we got a terrible return

we only got a bad return compared to what Franson and Sekera got, and those two did have more value even though Petry is better. Compared to trade deadlines of the past we did just fine. Even on our own board the expected return was 2nd round pick and a B prospect. We got less than that, but not by a lot.

He wanted out of here. Maybe creating that situation was the real screw up, but if we're just talking about the trade itself in a vacuum, I don't have much of a problem with it.

 

[rboomercat90]

we only got a bad return compared to what Franson and Sekera got, and those two did have more value even though Petry is better. Compared to trade deadlines of the past we did just fine. Even on our own board the expected return was 2nd round pick and a B prospect. We got less than that, but not by a lot.

He wanted out of here. Maybe creating that situation was the real screw up, but if we're just talking about the trade itself in a vacuum, I don't have much of a problem with it.

It'd be pretty stupid just talking about the trade without talking about the situation leading up to it though, wouldn't it? I don't see why you would because the entire package affects the team moving forward. Mactavish might because it was his screw up and we've already learned how he likes to avoid accountability and deflect blame but the fans aren't trying to protect their own ***** here.

This team isn't in a position where it can afford to be giving away NHL players for nothing. Happened last year with Smid and again this year with Petry and Perron. It doesn't help this team out by making excuses for bad management. The return on the trade was poor and that was to be expected when dealing an impending UFA at the deadline. The entire issue here was Mactavish's decision last summer to alienate his own player at the worst possible time. Ignoring that now makes no sense.

 

[Up the Irons]

we only got a bad return compared to what Franson and Sekera got, and those two did have more value even though Petry is better. Compared to trade deadlines of the past we did just fine. Even on our own board the expected return was 2nd round pick and a B prospect. We got less than that, but not by a lot.

He wanted out of here. Maybe creating that situation was the real screw up, but if we're just talking about the trade itself in a vacuum, I don't have much of a problem with it.

Bingo!! And you can attribute the Peron trade to the exact same screw up. At least Mact traded Peron early enough to get a decent return, but Peron's discontent is a direct result of the team going backwards under Eakins/Mact.

this is the part that Oilers' management refuses to admit; they create the environment that players want to leave/avoid.... not the weather.

 

[Mr Positive]

It'd be pretty stupid just talking about the trade without talking about the situation leading up to it though, wouldn't it? I don't see why you would because the entire package affects the team moving forward. Mactavish might because it was his screw up and we've already learned how he likes to avoid accountability and deflect blame but the fans aren't trying to protect their own ***** here.

This team isn't in a position where it can afford to be giving away NHL players for nothing. Happened last year with Smid and again this year with Petry and Perron. It doesn't help this team out by making excuses for bad management. The return on the trade was poor and that was to be expected when dealing an impending UFA at the deadline. The entire issue here was Mactavish's decision last summer to alienate his own player at the worst possible time. Ignoring that now makes no sense.

It's not stupid to break down an issue into it's component parts. Mashing it all together is just confusion. I see people responding to fans of outside teams as if those fans understand all the nuances to this issue. Overall, it was a screw up by MacT just like the Dubnyk situation was. I see a lot of good logic in how that is presented, but then when it comes down to the trade itself, people have trouble separating it.


It seems like most posters are so focused on the team needs and the offseason situation that they can't discuss the trade from a purely trade value perspective. Either that or they hear a phrase like "decent value for Petry" and will attack it out of principle because it is a vaguely positive statement being associated with MacT. Trust me, I'm not saying that the trade return is a feather in MacT's cap.

 

[CupofOil]

we only got a bad return compared to what Franson and Sekera got, and those two did have more value even though Petry is better. Compared to trade deadlines of the past we did just fine. Even on our own board the expected return was 2nd round pick and a B prospect. We got less than that, but not by a lot.

He wanted out of here. Maybe creating that situation was the real screw up, but if we're just talking about the trade itself in a vacuum, I don't have much of a problem with it.

I agree on the value. Petry got market value for a player of his ilk. Solid Dmen like him who are decent at everything but not great at anything don't return as much as players who are great at one particular thing like Franson and his big shot on the PP. Sekera was quite simply a better Dman than Petry. The problem was MacT letting it get to the point where he had to deal him, not the value he got.

He wanted out of here because he didn't feel wanted especially when MacT handed out a long term deal to Fayne and gave more money for an extra year to a Dman who was a regular healthy scratch last season. If MacT had signed him to a reasonable long term deal last season which Petry apparently was more than willing to take, then he wouldn't have been forced to deal him this season.
I knew the second he signed Fayne to that deal that Petry was toast because we all know that Norris Schultz was in the long term plans regardless.

 

[Tyrolean]

Yeah that's a nice pipe dream.

More realistic than Oilers making the playoffs.

 

[Tyrolean]

No didn't you hear, Petry is a bottom pairing guy. MacT got great value for him. Giving away good(see: Top-4 D-man) players like its our job.

While we sit here post Petry averaging a cool 5 GA/G. Yes I know small sample size, but man this management is clueless.

Sometimes you can't blame management if a player doesn't want to stay. OTHO it is management of the team that makes players want to leave.

 

[oobga]

Sometimes you can't blame management if a player doesn't want to stay. OTHO it is management of the team that makes players want to leave.

Seemed he was open to staying when he gave up arbitration rights to force a 1 year deal last summer. Only, MacT wanted to "challenge" him with a 1 year deal and give him one a week into free agency instead of using the leverage Petry gave him to push for a multi-year deal. As soon as you give anyone a 1 year deal that ends with them being UFA, they are going to test the market unless they have the worst season of their lives or they play for a very good team. MacT knew that of course, but didn't care one bit if Petry left.

His little praising of Petry right before the TDL for playing basically the same quality of game as he did in 13/14 was just to try to up his trade value, and the 4x4 deal he offered him was a low ball offer he knew would be rejected before he sent it, but he just wanted to make it look like he tried to sign Petry (after not talking to him at all about a contract from Jan 1st to the TDL). He didn't value his contributions probably right up until he left and no doubt feels Petry is replaceable by guys we already have. He thinks that because he's just a bad GM and a terrible evaluator of talent.

 

[The Nuge]

we only got a bad return compared to what Franson and Sekera got, and those two did have more value even though Petry is better. Compared to trade deadlines of the past we did just fine. Even on our own board the expected return was 2nd round pick and a B prospect. We got less than that, but not by a lot.

He wanted out of here. Maybe creating that situation was the real screw up, but if we're just talking about the trade itself in a vacuum, I don't have much of a problem with it.

That's exactly my point. We got market value. However, he was the best RH dman on the market, and a inferior dman got well above market value. When a bottom pairing, PP specialist returns a 1st, getting a 2nd for a #3 is a terrible return.

 

[Oiler66666]

Haven't watched any of the games but he seems to be getting some love on the Montreal boards. Already seeing posts on trying to lock him up long term going as high as 5 X 5.

 

[oobga]

Haven't watched any of the games but he seems to be getting some love on the Montreal boards. Already seeing posts on trying to lock him up long term going as high as 5 X 5.

Another good game for him last night. Played the most ES minutes on Montreal, 33% offensive zone starts. Lots of time against Tavares, but 0 GA on the night. He mauled a guy in front of the net late to prevent a goal. Any team in the NHL can use a Petry on their team. Solid 2nd pairing shut-down D that can still move the puck quickly out of your own zone. Well, any team except the Oilers, we're just filled to the brim with veteran top 4 NHL quality D.

 

[McOilbleeder]

we only got a bad return compared to what Franson and Sekera got, and those two did have more value even though Petry is better. Compared to trade deadlines of the past we did just fine. Even on our own board the expected return was 2nd round pick and a B prospect. We got less than that, but not by a lot.

He wanted out of here. Maybe creating that situation was the real screw up, but if we're just talking about the trade itself in a vacuum, I don't have much of a problem with it.

Franson, I and many current Nashville fans, would argue is not better than Petry(Franson's D is horrendous). But lets ignore him.

How about Brayden Coburn and Kimmo Timonen?

Timonen has played 5 games this year. All for the Blackhawks. He's currently 39 y/o and his return was a 2nd and 4th. A guy who didn't play a single game at the trade deadline returned a better return than Petry did. Name recognition makes no sense either considering the blackhawks had no idea what level he was playing at when they traded a 2nd and 4th.

That brings me to Coburn. Radko Gudas + 1st + 3rd. Imo Coburn and Petry are similar players. Guys ideally in your 2nd pair, don't bring too much offense and are similar defensively. What Coburn has in experience, Petry brings in age and RHD(something that was hard to find on the market post Franson trade). Even if you argue Coburn is better than Petry, are you going to argue he's worth the difference between a 2nd and a 1st, and a 3rd and cond. 5th in addition to Gudas (who isn't all that special but still an NHL player).

The going rate for top-4 D-man this trade deadline was much higher than MacT got. We traded him pennies on the dollar? Not because he wanted out, but like I think Kypreos said, we just didn't value him. He was one of the few RHD, and he's not too old where you can absolutely re-sign him.

I don't mind trading the guy because he wanted out, but atleast get good value. Watching him do well with the Habs while we're bleeding GA is tough to watch. Especially with the underwhelming return.

 

[smackdaddy]

Seemed he was open to staying when he gave up arbitration rights to force a 1 year deal last summer. Only, MacT wanted to "challenge" him with a 1 year deal and give him one a week into free agency instead of using the leverage Petry gave him to push for a multi-year deal. As soon as you give anyone a 1 year deal that ends with them being UFA, they are going to test the market unless they have the worst season of their lives or they play for a very good team. MacT knew that of course, but didn't care one bit if Petry left.

His little praising of Petry right before the TDL for playing basically the same quality of game as he did in 13/14 was just to try to up his trade value, and the 4x4 deal he offered him was a low ball offer he knew would be rejected before he sent it, but he just wanted to make it look like he tried to sign Petry (after not talking to him at all about a contract from Jan 1st to the TDL). He didn't value his contributions probably right up until he left and no doubt feels Petry is replaceable by guys we already have. He thinks that because he's just a bad GM and a terrible evaluator of talent.

I think those events are pretty accurate, although I'll add that the reason MacT didn't push to get him signed is a 100% pride issue. Who knows what happened, but Petry pissed somebody off and the offers he was given was half an intentional slap to Petry for dare thinking he's something more than what MacT/Lowe pegged him as and half an excuse to say "Well, we tried - it's all his fault".

It's the same way Perron left, the same way Whitney left, the same way Souray left, the same way Comrie left originally.. it's a common freakin' theme. Damage the pride of MacT and Lowe is the only way to get moved out of this organization. Pronger should've called out Lowe and instead of demanding a trade Lowe would've been speed dialing the other GMs getting rid of that "cancer". Might have been better for all parties involved

 

[mus1cx]

Thanks for Petry, Habs fans love the guy!

 

[Aceboogie]

Lol, this trade/handling is going to go down as MacTs worst. Have an experienced top 4 RHD PMD and cant sign the guy to a deal last offseason and deal him for a ***** 2nd

Petry in the offseason likely commands 5.5 or 6 after a solid playoff showing

Oilers could have had him for 4 X 4 million last year, but instead kept Jultz. If Jultz becomes even half of what Petry was, ill be surprised

The two more prime offseason targets are former Oilers that MacT squandered away for picks

 

[PaPaDee]

Lol, this trade/handling is going to go down as MacTs worst. Have an experienced top 4 RHD PMD and cant sign the guy to a deal last offseason and deal him for a ***** 2nd

Petry in the offseason likely commands 5.5 or 6 after a solid playoff showing

Oilers could have had him for 4 X 4 million last year, but instead kept Jultz. If Jultz becomes even half of what Petry was, ill be surprised

The two more prime offseason targets are former Oilers that MacT squandered away for picks

Yep, the list of MacT gaffs keeps getting longer. But hey, let's be fair, he's new to the job. After a few more years, he might be able to remove the worst GM in the NHL label off himself.

 

[sepHF]

Lol, this trade/handling is going to go down as MacTs worst. Have an experienced top 4 RHD PMD and cant sign the guy to a deal last offseason and deal him for a ***** 2nd

Petry in the offseason likely commands 5.5 or 6 after a solid playoff showing

Oilers could have had him for 4 X 4 million last year, but instead kept Jultz. If Jultz becomes even half of what Petry was, ill be surprised

The two more prime offseason targets are former Oilers that MacT squandered away for picks

I'm a big Petry fan but if anyone offers him 5.5-6 they're absolutely nuts.

 

[PaPaDee]

I'm a big Petry fan but if anyone offers him 5.5-6 they're absolutely nuts.

Considering the lack of quality FA's out there, wouldn't surprise me to see Petry get 5-5.5M.

 

[gqmixmaster]

you can't force GM's to pay more for Petry, and you can't force Petry to sign.

We got a 2nd rounder for what amounts to 20 reg season games and a playoff season with a #4/5 defenseman who is a -1 in 17 games with the Canadiens thus far.

To me its great asset management

 

[sepHF]

Considering the lack of quality FA's out there, wouldn't surprise me to see Petry get 5-5.5M.

5 should be his absolute top-end but free agency is bizarre sometimes

 

[Pablo Aimar]

you can't force GM's to pay more for Petry, and you can't force Petry to sign.

We got a 2nd rounder for what amounts to 20 reg season games and a playoff season with a #4/5 defenseman who is a -1 in 17 games with the Canadiens thus far.

To me its great asset management

Great asset management would be signing the best defenseman on the team (by a country ****ing mile) to a long term contract at a good rate. This was terrible, moronic asset management. And the stupidity will be amplified when Mac T signs Norris Schultz to a big deal in the summer.

 

[Man Purse]

He's really playing good right now.

 

[rboomercat90]

you can't force GM's to pay more for Petry, and you can't force Petry to sign.

We got a 2nd rounder for what amounts to 20 reg season games and a playoff season with a #4/5 defenseman who is a -1 in 17 games with the Canadiens thus far.

To me its great asset management

You forgot the emoticon.

 

[The Nuge]

Thanks for Petry, Habs fans love the guy!

 

[s7ark]

I almost hope the Habs win the cup and Petry plays amazing through the playoffs just so Katz might wake the **** up and realize how damaging these jokers are to the franchise. Every other top 4 D that got traded got a 1st. Not Petry though, 2nd and a 5th is the best MacT the super genius could manage.