Value of: Dvorak to Boston

[McJedi]

Not getting all that............sorry keep him

I suspect it would actually cost Boston more. DeBrusk carries zero value in this scenario so you’re adding to dump in here.

 

[The don godfather]

I'm sure BA and donny are talking. There is smoke from before regardless dvorak. Wouldn't surprise me they figure something out

 

[The don godfather]

I think a framework of studnicka or debrusk for dvorak might work for both teams. Obviously a 2nd round draft pick to yotes to balance it out ?

 

[Montecristo]

Pass on dvorak. He isnt a top 6 center

 

[AZviaNJ]

Based on your opinion?

His opinion would be correct , as would any opinion that has been following the story.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

From Minnesota I would require Rossi. From Vegas it would be Krebs. From Colorado it would be Newhook.

Boston doesn't have this. The closest I could come up with is Frederic, Studnicka, and a 1st. And I agree, it's not nearly as good. And I'd be pissed if that's all we got. Boston is not at all interesting as a trade partner for Dvorak, as a result. But if the Fourth Period guy says it's a thing, then I guess it's worth discussing. And that's about the best thing I can come up with when looking at their pool.

Fans scoffed at the idea of this kind of return for Garland, too. Now Arizona has Guenther.

I don’t think OEL was viewed as a pure cap dump, and I don’t think Garland would have fetched the 9th overall in a straight up deal

 

[XX]

I don’t think OEL was viewed as a pure cap dump

He absolutely was. It's an easy tell that no one has really paid attention to his decline the past three years if you say otherwise.

OEL absolutely had to go from the AZ perspective and the number of suitors for someone making twice the worth of his on ice numbers that were agreeable with his NMC was extremely low. That's why a bunch of equally bad unusable junk went the other way to AZ and AZ had to retain to boot.

I've seen a lot of weird shit on HF but this "actually, OEL had positive value" gaslighting is really taking the cake.

 

[technoviking]

The easiest way I can explain this is to tell you that Phil Kessel and Patrice Bergeron have the same career points per game average but that doesn’t make them equal players.

Haha. Perfect

 

[canuckking1]

Exactly as much as Garland. Who got the 9th overall pick in a draft with a universally agreed upon consensus top nine, with a drop-off after.

OEL was a long-term dump for short-terms dumps exchange. The 2nd round pick was for the retention. Garland went for Guenther, who is incidentally the best prospect the Coyotes have had in their system in over half a decade.

This really isn't the case. Benning referred to OEL as a top Dmen and 1D. He values OEL more than the rest of the league. Doubt it was Garland for 9OA. Buch and Reinhart are both better players and went for less.

 

[CaperJay]

This really isn't the case. Benning referred to OEL as a top Dmen and 1D. He values OEL more than the rest of the league. Doubt it was Garland for 9OA. Buch and Reinhart are both better players and went for less.

Exactly and it's funny no one is mentioning all the cap dumps that came with the pick from Vancouver. If anything that's why they got such a high pick

 

[hbk]

This really isn't the case. Benning referred to OEL as a top Dmen and 1D. He values OEL more than the rest of the league. Doubt it was Garland for 9OA. Buch and Reinhart are both better players and went for less.

The analytics and eye test quite frankly don’t reflect that expressed opinion of Benning. Personally i think the issue with OEL is largely mental but believing he’s going to magically return to the form he last consistently displayed 3+ years ago is risky. If this does occur it would be an argument that the current publicly availably analytics are useless.

 

[Hookslide]

I suspect it would actually cost Boston more. DeBrusk carries zero value in this scenario so you’re adding to dump in here.

If you think DeBrusk is a cap dump than no further discussion needed for a player that has never hit 20 goals never mind , 27 goals in a year......

 

[McJedi]

If you think DeBrusk is a cap dump than no further discussion needed for a player that has never hit 20 goals never mind , 27 goals in a year......

He’s not a cap dump to many teams. He’s valueless to a team like Arizona.

 

[Hookslide]

He’s not a cap dump to many teams. He’s valueless to a team like Arizona.

That's fine but then why is he being mentioned to go to Arizona

 

[technoviking]

That's fine but then why is he being mentioned to go to Arizona

Because people speculate all the time?

 

[rt]

He absolutely was. It's an easy tell that no one has really paid attention to his decline the past three years if you say otherwise.

OEL absolutely had to go from the AZ perspective and the number of suitors for someone making twice the worth of his on ice numbers that were agreeable with his NMC was extremely low. That's why a bunch of equally bad unusable junk went the other way to AZ and AZ had to retain to boot.

I've seen a lot of weird shit on HF but this "actually, OEL had positive value" gaslighting is really taking the cake.

It’s mind numbingly stupid but totally predictable.

 

[The don godfather]

Debrusk 2nd round pick and zboril is more then enough to get dvorak.

 

[rt]

Exactly and it's funny no one is mentioning all the cap dumps that came with the pick from Vancouver. If anything that's why they got such a high pick

They trade really couldn’t be easier to figure out. It’s not worth discussing because there’s nothing to discuss. Either you’re ignoring the obvious willfully or you just can’t see it. Either way, no productive conversation to be had.

 

[AZviaNJ]

Debrusk 2nd round pick and zboril is more then enough to get dvorak.

Maybe for you but not for Bill Armstrong.

 

[The don godfather]

Maybe for you but not for Bill Armstrong.

Were just sending proposals here to keep entertained . Who knows what they would accept.

 

[rt]

Were just sending proposals here to keep entertained . Who knows what they would accept.

I know they sure wouldn't accept that crap.

 

[cobra427]

You're using your own biases to confirm your biases. Excuse me for not treating your opinion as the unequivocal truth that it isn't.

Its his opinion which is inaccurate, there is no way Garland was worth the 9th overall pick on its own. The pick was partially a return for OEL.

 

[The don godfather]

I know they sure wouldn't accept that crap.

Well what do you think is fair ?

 

[rt]

Well what do you think is fair ?

Check the first reply in this thread.

 

[The don godfather]

Check the first reply in this thread.

Take out stud and insert vaak and maybe we have something