Confirmed with Link: Duclair/J. Moore/1st (2016)/2nd (2015) for Yandle (50% Retained), Summers/4th- Part 2

[mrhockey193195]

And if he was the only one we ever got from that trade it would still be a great trade.

Absolutely. Brassard is a better player than Gaborik right now, in my opinion, when you factor in health.

Boy, am I eating crow about that trade. I was on the "we're replacing one fourth of our roster with players from Columbus?!?!?!" train. Brass has proven me so wrong, and I love it.

 

[Tawnos]

Bye bye...Anthony DUclair...
Miss you in the saddest fashion
Bye bye...Anthony DUclair...
You're 5000 Yandles in the wind.

Perfection

 

[Pizza]

And, I'm not convinced it was steep price. Kreider, Zucc, Hagelin and Miller on the wings in the top 8, along with Fast who can develop into a 3rd liner. You have the prospect of Buchnevich coming over this summer. The core of the forwards are still young.

I think that was huge factor in this deal going down.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Is there even an established going rate for players like Yandle? I can't remember when an offensive defenseman as good him, in his prime, was last traded. Technically, there's Shattenkirk, but he wasn't nearly as established as Yandle is at this point.

I'm just trying to equate it to when star players get moved. The most recent comparable I could think of is Jordan Staal, The cost was a quality roster player, (Bradon Sutter), and quality prospect, (Brian Dumoulin) and a #1 pick, (8th overall). I'd say the Canes paid more for Jordan Staal than the Rangers did for Keith Yandle.

 

[Thirty One]

How do you get that number?

My nephew is in middle school.

 

[Cassano]

Is there even an established going rate for players like Yandle? I can't remember when an offensive defenseman as good him, in his prime, was last traded. Technically, there's Shattenkirk, but he wasn't nearly as established as Yandle is at this point.

Brent Burns, maybe. Coyle 1st and Setoguchi.

Somewhat similar package.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

The way I see it.

Yandle>Stralman
Boyle>Moore

 

[MysticLeviathan]

I'm fascinated there are articles out there with analysts saying we're real losers in the trade and our overall trade deadline was mediocre to bad.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

The way I see it.

Yandle>Stralman
Boyle>Moore

Both those players on the left are better offensively.. I'd argue Stralman is better defensively than Yandle by a good amount. I kind of would have rather had a stay at home shut down guy added as opposed to an elite PMD considering we're a top 5 offense in the league, but who knows.. maybe Yandle surprises with his defensive play. We sure have been giving up a ton of goals lately

 

[Ola]

Ulfie knows Yandle well from PHX.

 

[Crazed Beaver]

Sorry to single you out, TB, but, no they didn't pay a steep price for one of the premier PMDs in the league. They paid the going rate. A player of Yandle's stature is normally going to cost 1) a quality roster player (Moore), 2) a quality prospect, (Duclair), and 3) a #1 pick. The 2nd rounder is the price for getting AZ to retain half his hit. If anything, the Rangers slightly underpaid for Yandle because John Moore is the roster player going back, not a more valuable forward like Hagelin or Miller. Some people are really underestimating what Yandle adds to this team.

I cannot reiterate this enough...only one d-man in the league currently has more assists than Yandle - Kris Letang, who gets to run a PP with two of the five best players currently in the league. Yandle is doing this on one of the worst offensive teams in the league.

There aren't to many -32 either to be fair.

 

[Ghost of jas]

There aren't to many -32 either to be fair.

Really? As Billy Jaffe said today..."+/- stinks!"

 

[bobbop]

If Yandle plays to expectations, the odds are he will be here for a long time. He could make another defenseman expendable. (cue the Girardi critics)

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

+/- does stink but -32 means SOMETHING.

I think a lot of risks with this deal are really being glossed over due to hype and optimism. I hope it works out, and it 1000% makes the Rangers a better team this season so it is hard to be anything but excited.

 

[Doctyl]

+/- does stink but -32 means SOMETHING.

I think a lot of risks with this deal are really being glossed over due to hype and optimism. I hope it works out, and it 1000% makes the Rangers a better team this season so it is hard to be anything but excited.

OEL is a -19. ARI is really ****ing bad. The only ranger who is a minus is Glass. I don't think we have to worry about that one bit.

 

[bobbop]

Yandle is not a fighter. He can if he has to but you can't score from the penalty box. He is not "physical" in the classic sense of the word but he holds his own. He's about where the league is these days.

Whomever described John Moore as "physical" is kidding, right? I just called into a Phoenix radio station that described Moore as a "hard rock" defenseman and corrected them. Amazing what a couple of random suspensions can do for your reputation.

 

[ecemleafs]

+/- does stink but -32 means SOMETHING.

I think a lot of risks with this deal are really being glossed over due to hype and optimism. I hope it works out, and it 1000% makes the Rangers a better team this season so it is hard to be anything but excited.

if mike smith even had a respectable .910 save percentage this year which would still be amongst the worst for NHL starters, arizona would have given up 22 less goals on the year. smith saves .915 percent of shots and they give up 30 less goals. arizonas top ice time leaders would have much better +/- if their goalie wasnt pathetic this season.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

+/- does stink but -32 means SOMETHING.

I think a lot of risks with this deal are really being glossed over due to hype and optimism. I hope it works out, and it 1000% makes the Rangers a better team this season so it is hard to be anything but excited.

If both Yandle and OEL have those +/- numbers, it has to be something else. It's not their play, but the fact they played on a **** team. Vermette was their no 1 center!

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Anyone else think that an ancillary effect of acquiring Yandle might be an uptick in defense-wide scoring? Good players thrive from playing with other good players, both on the ice at the same time, or even on the same team. I can certainly see McD and Boyle picking up their offensive games by playing with him.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

if mike smith even had a respectable .910 save percentage this year which would still be amongst the worst for NHL starters, arizona would have given up 22 less goals on the year. smith saves .915 percent of shots and they give up 30 less goals. arizonas top ice time leaders would have much better +/- if their goalie wasnt pathetic this season.

This is convincing. Could make the argument the D giving up bad chances is driving his save % down but his numbers are impressively bad.

 

[darko]

+/- does stink but -32 means SOMETHING.

I think a lot of risks with this deal are really being glossed over due to hype and optimism. I hope it works out, and it 1000% makes the Rangers a better team this season so it is hard to be anything but excited.

It does mean something. It means that Yotes are terrible. I mean OEL is -19 and how many D-men are there out there you'd take over OEL?

 

[stan the caddy]

He's probably not the greatest in his own end. His plus minus is certainly inflated because he plays on a bad team but it's still bad for a reason.

 

[McDonagh]

I'm watching the Sather press thing and I hate not being able to hear the questions asked.

 

[Real Four]

watched sportsnet trade deadline coverage earlier today on my hockeystreams, healy mentioned there are concerns about duclair's conditioning and mentality as support for the trade

is there anything else out there supporting this?

 

[darko]

He's probably not the greatest in his own end. His plus minus is certainly inflated because he plays on a bad team but it's still bad for a reason.

Oh yeah I'm not saying he's good defensively or anything like that. He isn't as bad as people make him out to be. Put him with Staal or Klein and he'll be just fine. Not good but certainly not bad.