Confirmed with Link: Duchene to CBJ
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been years since this team needed the balls to do something like that. it might end up bad but I also accept the risk hope the rest of the fans do too
Good luck to you guys with Duchene. I hope he'll help you guys with a long playoff run. What's the consensus on the two prospects coming to Ottawa from a Columbus fan perspective? Cheers.
They're about equal in quality to the 2nd player you sent to us.
Sorry didn't read every post, but what does "The 2019 first round pick in the Duchene deal is lottery protected only if it’s a top 3 pick" mean?
That is, let's assume Blue Jackets final position is 9th in East, 13th in NHL like it is now. Does that automatically mean Ottawa got that pick? Regardless of whether Columbus wins the draft lottery?
So shortly, when does the protection kick in, before or after the lottery is done?
edit. Thinking this further, it has to be depending on the position before the draw, because only winning pick is drawn i.e. otherwise it would be only top-1 protected, right?
edit2. I forgot the top-3 are drawn these days, not only the winner.
That is, let's assume Blue Jackets final position is 9th in East, 13th in NHL like it is now. Does that automatically mean Ottawa got that pick? Regardless of whether Columbus wins the draft lottery?
So shortly, when does the protection kick in, before or after the lottery is done?
edit. Thinking this further, it has to be depending on the position before the draw, because only winning pick is drawn i.e. otherwise it would be only top-1 protected, right?
edit2. I forgot the top-3 are drawn these days, not only the winner.
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Essentially, if we miss the playoffs and win the lottery (like that would ever happen), we keep this year's pick
Interesting, then it sounds pretty weird to word it "top-3 protected" and not "Lottery win protected"?
edit. Oh I got this confused. The top-3 are drawn these days. Yeah, you are right.
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Bottom-half top 10 organizational prospects. But last year they were both very highly regarded, just got passed up by some guys this year. Davidsson is speedy, has a good shot, and will probably be able to turn into a solid two-way player. Probably not more than a 2nd liner. Abramov could end up being an elite player, but could also get stuck in the AHL and eventually go back to Russia.
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You and I share the same CBJ cynicism. But how can you not after 19 years of this....?
I am already mentally preparing myself for Duchene blowing out his knee tonight in a 6-1 loss.
To me it sounds that Jarmo hasn't reached a contract with Duchene, but he still traded for him.
Now whether it means he has discussed about contract let alone whether that would have been reasonable are completely different matters.
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Yesterday, I admitted to being cautious about trades and going all in on this year... Said that I would be ok with a Duchene deal if it was the right cost.
Honestly, I think it's a fair trade and I'm fine with what we gave up to go for him. But, this is one of those trades that is really hard to judge... Because, we just gave up 3-4 future pieces for a center. Anyways, You have to give to get especially for a #1 center.
But, Abramov, Davidsson, 2019 1st, 2020 1st conditional- Seems pretty fair for me in all regards and I'm cautious at big moves. We were going to give up that 1st round pick if we were going to get Duchene. The extra 1st rounder seems pretty fair if we were to sign him to an extension as well. Plus, it's protected top 3 pick if we completely suck next year too without Panarin.
Yesterday, I was on board with trading Bread for the best offer. Now, I'm back on board with keeping Bread if Nashville/Winnipeg/Dallas don't want to pony up what it takes to get him. You don't want to pony it up... Fine, we'll roll with Bread, Bobrovsky, Duchene in the playoffs. I feel better about the playoffs with a 1A and a 1B center now. Plus, it's been awhile we truly felt we were going all in at a playoff run. I'm a STH- If we go all in with these 3- I'm going to the playoff games, rooting us on with newfound excitement rather than limping in. If we do give up Bread- We aren't in a mode of desperation and we are in full control of the market and can net back some 1st round picks anyhow.
Nashville was in on Duchene, well not anymore. We just took out one of their options. I feel like now, we are in a better position of trading Bread for some top pieces (if we so desire) because we took the #2 option on the market. Who has the #1 option on the market- We do as well.
It's too exciting of a day to pout about what we are doing. Plus, I was 100 percent going to the hockey game tomorrow to see Bread one last time, now I might get to see Duchene and Bread.. Even better
Go Blue Jackets!
Honestly, I think it's a fair trade and I'm fine with what we gave up to go for him. But, this is one of those trades that is really hard to judge... Because, we just gave up 3-4 future pieces for a center. Anyways, You have to give to get especially for a #1 center.
But, Abramov, Davidsson, 2019 1st, 2020 1st conditional- Seems pretty fair for me in all regards and I'm cautious at big moves. We were going to give up that 1st round pick if we were going to get Duchene. The extra 1st rounder seems pretty fair if we were to sign him to an extension as well. Plus, it's protected top 3 pick if we completely suck next year too without Panarin.
Yesterday, I was on board with trading Bread for the best offer. Now, I'm back on board with keeping Bread if Nashville/Winnipeg/Dallas don't want to pony up what it takes to get him. You don't want to pony it up... Fine, we'll roll with Bread, Bobrovsky, Duchene in the playoffs. I feel better about the playoffs with a 1A and a 1B center now. Plus, it's been awhile we truly felt we were going all in at a playoff run. I'm a STH- If we go all in with these 3- I'm going to the playoff games, rooting us on with newfound excitement rather than limping in. If we do give up Bread- We aren't in a mode of desperation and we are in full control of the market and can net back some 1st round picks anyhow.
Nashville was in on Duchene, well not anymore. We just took out one of their options. I feel like now, we are in a better position of trading Bread for some top pieces (if we so desire) because we took the #2 option on the market. Who has the #1 option on the market- We do as well.
It's too exciting of a day to pout about what we are doing. Plus, I was 100 percent going to the hockey game tomorrow to see Bread one last time, now I might get to see Duchene and Bread.. Even better
Go Blue Jackets!
The 2019 pick is a protected lottery pick. The 2020 conditional pick is not protected.
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A playoff series win makes this trade more satisfying. An extension for Duchene makes it a coup.
Upside, hell, I'd want someone who's top-6 capable now. Like a Fiala or something.
Heh, I was trying to be realistic.
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Have you seen the teams he has played on in his career? Have you seen our (Senators) defensive corps this season? It's the worst blueline in the league by a significant margin. The fact that he's only -2 while the defensive zone is being "patrolled" by the likes of Mark Borowiecki and a bunch of rookies is nothing short of outstanding. In fact, between those defensively putrid Avs teams and our clusterfork of a back-end, I might even say that this Blue Jackets defence is the among the best 1 or 2 bluelines he's ever played in front of, ever.
Fun fact: that -2 rating he has this year is the third highest +/- among all forwards on our team this season.
Also: +/- is the worst stat in hockey.
He'll be just fine. Give him a 20 game sample size, and I guarantee you'll change your tune. He's never going to win a Selke, but his defensive game is entirely acceptable when you consider how much time he spends with the puck.
One more question about that lottery protection. If CBJ gets a top-3 pick, Senators won't get a pick at all? Well, excluding that possible contract extension pick.
Pick turns into 2020 first, and the conditional 2020 first moves to ‘21 if Duchene re-signs
So in extreme case this was 2020 first overall pick? Only 2019 lottery protected?
