Does Barzal deserve a suspension? (Update: fined $5k)

[Anglesmith]

I don't think it has the violence or danger level to warrant a suspension. I think the major penalty seems overkill. He deserves a fine, but a suspension would be silly here.

 

[McSpecial DraiBlend]

Fine him 5k and move along.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Who knows? He could get nothing, he could get a game or multiple games, he could get an out for the series suspension and everyone here would have no idea if it was justified. The DPOS is just that bad at their job and we all accept it.

 

[Rschmitz]

I said it was a cheap shot but if you don't think Rutta played possum there I can't help you. Buddy.

You'd play possum too if you got concussed, which he probably did based on how quickly he dropped.

 

[Heldig]

It did happen in these playoffs. Lee saw a lunch direct to the head and ignored it.

That punch should not be compared to Barzal's cross check IMO

 

[NHL Review]

I don't think it has the violence or danger level to warrant a suspension. I think the major penalty seems overkill. He deserves a fine, but a suspension would be silly here.

Question is if a major penalty in a 6-0 game is sufficient. For something that happened with the other player skating away, not engaging, and clearly in a predatory manner I’m not so sure it is

 

[LeafalCrusader]

Nope not a suspension

 

[Cyclones21]

That’s a suspension penalty the Refs have to apply in their game report. Not something the DoPS retroactively applies on its own.

Thanks mouser - if that’s the case then it’s irrelevant.

 

[theVladiator]

I think it deserves suspension (1 gamer?) for 3 reasons:

The game was 6-0 at the time, completely out of hand.

Rutta did not come back.

Barzal is fully aware of the contact he made to the head, sees Rutta going down, but it doesn't stop him, he continues to engage Rutta, and drives him into the ice as Rutta is going down from the crosscheck. Just gives the whole sequence "yes, meant to do that and more" look.

 

[Anglesmith]

Question is if a major penalty in a 6-0 game is sufficient. For something that happened with the other player skating away, not engaging, and clearly in a predatory manner I’m not so sure it is

If he had gone straight for the head, sure. But his initial attack is not at the head. The shot to the head is part of the ensuing scuffle, which to me mitigates the severity a bit and certainly separates it from what you are describing. It's possible that the shot to the head was altered from its initial path.

 

[Cyclones21]

Carcillo was also a piece of shit. Not that it matters. Just would like to say that as much as possible.

Well Grim - I’ll give you another opportunity - it’s a play I remembered from a few years ago but mouser informed me that it needed to be called on the ice.

 

[Rschmitz]

I think it deserves suspension (1 gamer?) for 3 reasons:

The game was 6-0 at the time, completely out of hand.

Rutta did not come back.

Barzal is fully aware of the contact he made to the head, sees Rutta going down, but it doesn't stop him, he continues to engage Rutta, and drives him into the ice as Rutta is going down from the crosscheck. Just gives the whole sequence "yes, meant to do that and more" look.

Barzal's contact with the official afterwards may also get factored in.

 

[deca guard]

dont care if ruttu sold it , though ive only seen the cross check to neck / face and not the aftermath , or not you cant bring your stick up into the neck / face area like that . thats 2 games in my book

 

[Colt.45Orr]

5 and a game is fine.

1 game suspension would be ridiculous. Tampa likes selling plays too.

 

[Bread and Circuses]

You'd play possum too if you got concussed, which he probably did based on how quickly he dropped.

Oh my god if Rutta is concussed from that he should retire asap.

He was fully alert and able to get off the ice all by himself shortly after, there is no way he has a concussion.

 

[NHL Review]

If he had gone straight for the head, sure. But his initial attack is not at the head. The shot to the head is part of the ensuing scuffle, which to me mitigates the severity a bit and certainly separates it from what you are describing. It's possible that the shot to the head was altered from its initial path.

It happens very quickly, I wouldn’t even call it an “ensuing scuffle” as it’s not long enough. It’s a cross-check to chest and then immediately followed by an additional cross-check to head. Rutta doesnt even have enough time to retaliate

 

[Panteras]

5k fine would suffice

 

[Rschmitz]

If he had gone straight for the head, sure. But his initial attack is not at the head. The shot to the head is part of the ensuing scuffle, which to me mitigates the severity a bit and certainly separates it from what you are describing. It's possible that the shot to the head was altered from its initial path.

I don't think where the initial shot was should matter at all. He was able to fully recoil and go for a second strike onto Rutta's head, the only part of this argument I can buy is that strike may have been altered, but it's too bad of an angle to tell.

 

[NHL Review]

Oh my god if Rutta is concussed from that he should retire asap.

He was fully alert and able to get off the ice all by himself shortly after, there is no way he has a concussion.

This is woefully ignorant when it comes to head injuries. For one, any significant blow to the head can cause a concussion and a cross-check definitely fits into that. Secondly, being “alert and able to get off the ice by yourself” is not alone indicative of a concussion or not. Vast majority of concussions in the NHL don’t result in a loss of consciousness or player being unable to stand on their own. Myself, I’ve had 8-9 concussions including at least one very severe one and didn’t have any of those symptoms

Seems like you need to do your research

 

[Bread and Circuses]

This is woefully ignorant when it comes to head injuries. For one, any significant blow to the head can cause a concussion and a cross-check definitely fits into that. Secondly, being “alert and able to get off the ice by yourself” is not alone indicative of a concussion or not. Vast majority of concussions in the NHL don’t result in a loss of consciousness or player being unable to stand on their own.

Seems like you need to do your research

Lets just see if Rutta is back for game 6, or 7.

Then I will admit I was wrong.

 

[Rschmitz]

Oh my god if Rutta is concussed from that he should retire asap.

He was fully alert and able to get off the ice all by himself shortly after, there is no way he has a concussion.

So because he wasn't carried off of the ice he didn't suffer a concussion? You must be new to sports if you think concussions come with obvious and severe signs

 

[BoltSTH]

He may get a game as it was after the period had ended, not in any in game scrum, or battling for the puck; just an attempt to injure by a frustrated player completely embarrassed during the period, knowing the game was over. Knowing the DOPS it will be a phone call and a $5K fine

 

[ORRFForever]

Is a clip of it available?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Lets just see if Rutta is back for game 6, or 7.

Then I will admit I was wrong.

That makes no sense.

 

[theVladiator]

Barzal's contact with the official afterwards may also get factored in.

That did not look like aggressive contact to me, I thought he was just trying to put the ref between himself and incoming Hedman.