OT: Do you think Blackhawks will change jersey/logo/name?

[Drumman44]

It’s 100% up to the Saulk tribe imo. We non native folks should look to them for direction

 

[TLEH]

It’s 100% up to the Saulk tribe imo. We non native folks should look to them for direction

I kinda disagree on it being 100% because it is a depiction of a Native American with a headdress in general, not necessarily just the Sauk.

There doesn't need to be any arguement. If they want it changed, we change it. That's it. I think we all should agree on that one.

 

[Sarava]

I don't think they will change it. I think and also hope the ship has sailed on this discussion.

And look at the Redskins, with the new ownership there seems to be some momentum building towards bringing the Redskins name back - which probably is offensive, unlike Blackhawks.

 

[HallOfGreatness4]

I don't think they will change it. I think and also hope the ship has sailed on this discussion.

And look at the Redskins, with the new ownership there seems to be some momentum building towards bringing the Redskins name back - which probably is offensive, unlike Blackhawks.

They’re not bringing the Redskins name back to Washington, I think they’re gonna move off the name commanders, correct?

 

[TLEH]

Redskins name is literally a derogatory word for Native Americans, its not coming back.

 

[Sarava]

They’re not bringing the Redskins name back to Washington, I think they’re gonna move off the name commanders, correct?

I also doubt it, but the new owners keep using it. Whatever their reasons are for it.

 

[Praetorian Caps]

As long as the Blackhawks are winning and drumming up fan interest and money then the name is safe. That's the reason The Redskins lost their name; their owner ran the team into the ground; fans stop attending games and the franchise wasn't making the same capital like they did in their glory years. That's when they finally caved because the team wasn't making money like before.

Since Bedard got drafted ticket sales have drastically increased and if he lives up to the hype it will only increase revenue. At that point the name and logo will be to profitable to tamper with despite outside pressure.

 

[HallOfGreatness4]

As long as the Blackhawks are winning and drumming up fan interest and money then the name is safe. That's the reason The Redskins lost their name; their owner ran the team into the ground; fans stop attending games and the franchise wasn't making the same capital like they did in their glory years. That's when they finally caved because the team wasn't making money like before.

Since Bedard got drafted ticket sales have drastically increased and if he lives up to the hype it will only increase revenue. At that point the name and logo will be to profitable to tamper with despite outside pressure.

Great points. I don’t think anyone here sees a name change as likely.

But the indian head logo on the front of the jersey; that’s another story. What are your thoughts on that?

Bedard is an interesting cog in all this.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

What could you see happening to make it a conversation again? Seems like the chiefs and Braves have also kinda dodged the bullet

Hey take your busybody attitude and go pound sand. I heard mythical sea creatures are upset with your use of Kraken - when are going to change your team name to something less offensive?

 

[HallOfGreatness4]

Hey take your busybody attitude and go pound sand. I heard mythical sea creatures are upset with your use of Kraken - when are going to change your team name to something less offensive?

I am not a kraken fan. I like Beniers because he played at Michigan in college. I can’t name 5 kraken players come to think of it.

Also really like Caufield. I like all guys out of the big 10.

For the record I’m adamantly against the Blackhawks changing the logo or name.

Thanks for playing though.

 

[Praetorian Caps]

Great points. I don’t think anyone here sees a name change as likely.

But the indian head logo on the front of the jersey; that’s another story. What are your thoughts on that?

Bedard is an interesting cog in all this.

The name is safe...its the logo that's endangered. If the symbol is dropped the franchise can keep the name and replace it with an actual hawk or a helicopter. But the chief's head is part of the team's history, since it's inception. That is what the haters are after.

Like I wrote if the team continues to make money then the logo isn't going anywhere. That's all the NHL, sponsors, and owners care about. If the middle pulled support from the team, like they did to Snyder, to force a change, Blackhawks would come out in droves to protest. If they are bad with no hope of improvement fan apathy will help force a change because no one will bother to fight back.

 

[Giovi]

I don't think they will change it. I think and also hope the ship has sailed on this discussion.

And look at the Redskins, with the new ownership there seems to be some momentum building towards bringing the Redskins name back - which probably is offensive, unlike Blackhawks.

"probably"??

 

[EbonyRaptor]

I am not a kraken fan. I like Beniers because he played at Michigan in college. I can’t name 5 kraken players come to think of it.

Also really like Caufield. I like all guys out of the big 10.

For the record I’m adamantly against the Blackhawks changing the logo or name.

Thanks for playing though.

Then I'm happy to say we're better friends than enemies.

 

[HeisenBaez]

If the Hawks wants to keep the name/logo, that's fine. I mean the Blackhawks don't even have to change their name. Go back to how it was spelled before 1986, Chicago Black Hawks (instead of Blackhawks). I know somebody posted a picture of what the Black Hawk jersey would look like, with the Hawk, and I was okay with it.

I could see CHGO going either way.
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If the new owners are not thrilled with the name Commanders, fine, change your name to any non-racist name you want. Goodell should tell the new owners that Redskins name is off-the-table.

 

[FMichael]

Rival Detroit Red Wings fan here.

I hope it doesn’t change; too many fond memories of our Original 6 rivalry and I’d be lying if I said that I was ‘ok’ with a change of the name/logo, but that’s not for me to decide.

 

[Dr Salt]

The name won't change at the bare minimum. The Blackhawks have more leeway due to honoring/taking after a specific person versus a group which is what happened to the Redskins/Indians while the logo is definitely far more inoffensive. As long as the local native tribes are fine with it without any outside influence dictating to them saying that's their feeling (swaying either way) I think it's cool to keep it.

 

[Wally1112pac]

I always get a chuckled when I hear the argument that "white people are making money off of Native imagery.

Do they realize that the Japanese have made billions (probably trillions) off the imagery of 2 Italian plumbers?

This has been going on for the last half century.

More power to Miyamoto and his team.

 

[HallOfGreatness4]

The name won't change at the bare minimum. The Blackhawks have more leeway due to honoring/taking after a specific person versus a group which is what happened to the Redskins/Indians while the logo is definitely far more inoffensive. As long as the local native tribes are fine with it without any outside influence dictating to them saying that's their feeling (swaying either way) I think it's cool to keep it.

For me it’s all or nothing. At age 40 that logo is all I know. If they change the logo, they should change the name too. Though there’s no easy answer here. I think if I was Wirtz, I would absolutely force them to make me sell the team first. If I had to change it I would go to hawks and I don’t even know. If they change it just sell the team

 

[GaryU]

The Logo does not demean Native Americans. My wife is a Native American, it doesn't bother her, or my in-laws. Only people it seems to bother don't have a dog in the fight. Go find something important to worry about.

 

[thedarkstark]

When are we going to be done discussing this ****? Anyone who suggests a change is some suburban Karen filled with white guilt & has done no research into the history.

Unlike other teams that depicted racist caricatures, slurs, or derogatory/stereotypical imagery, the Blackhawks honor a real group of people. Like 1/3rd of the states, cities, and streets in the Midwest use native words/names (both Chicago & Illinois for example). should we change all of those too?

No more Ohio, or Illinois, no more Milwaukee, Waukegan, Chicago, Algonquin, no more Hiawatha boulevard, etc. etc. Let's change it all and erase history! People need to do some research and learn the difference between mockery and paying homage.

 

[TLEH]

The Logo does not demean Native Americans. My wife is a Native American, it doesn't bother her, or my in-laws. Only people it seems to bother don't have a dog in the fight. Go find something important to worry about.

Plenty of Native Americans do not like that it is used, however, all Native communities are not unified in this opinion. They most likely never will be, due to the vast variety of tribes.

Completely dismissing the discussion is disingenuous. The origin story of the Blackhawks is not racist at all, quite the opposite. That does not mean that using a depiction of a Native American feather headdress cannot be seen as insensitive. It certainly could, I wouldn't know, though. There is plenty of "white guilt", but let us not be too far the other way. We need to be sensitive of their opinions.

 

[bwanajamba]

I always get a chuckled when I hear the argument that "white people are making money off of Native imagery.

Do they realize that the Japanese have made billions (probably trillions) off the imagery of 2 Italian plumbers?

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This has been going on for the last half century.

More power to Miyamoto and his team.

Not a great comparison seeing as Japan has never committed genocide against Italians

I am personally fond of the way the Blackhawks highlight Sauk culture and a unique part of Illinois history (and think they should do even more of it if they keep using the name/logo). I don't think there's much in the way that it's done here that can be considered specifically disrespectful. But that's only one part of the equation- whether it should be done at all is a valid ethical question that doesn't hinge on whether people are offended or whatever

 

[HallOfGreatness4]

The name is safe...its the logo that's endangered. If the symbol is dropped the franchise can keep the name and replace it with an actual hawk or a helicopter. But the chief's head is part of the team's history, since it's inception. That is what the haters are after.

Like I wrote if the team continues to make money then the logo isn't going anywhere. That's all the NHL, sponsors, and owners care about. If the middle pulled support from the team, like they did to Snyder, to force a change, Blackhawks would come out in droves to protest. If they are bad with no hope of improvement fan apathy will help force a change because no one will bother to fight back.

This is the best take I’ve seen on it yet.



How many people agree with this

 

[Chuck Testa]

It’s the best logo in professional sports lol and the red jersey is iconic.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Redskins name is literally a derogatory word for Native Americans, its not coming back.

I hope they bring back Washington Football Team unironically.