Big Phil
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Actually Worters ranks in the 100-150 range amongst Top 100 Player candidates.
Top teens amongst goalies:
HOH Top 40 Goaltenders of All Time
I guess calling Chunk Rayner a lower-third (not lower-tier) HHOF netminder is probably accurate. Probably better than Harry Lumley all-in-all, but never received anywhere near the same team support, and got the misfortune of being a bit older than Lumley, meaning he lost some valuable years. Significantly better HHOF'er case than, say, Ed Giacomin, as far as I'm concerned.
But Worters... ouch. The only thing that really keeps him away from upper third status is the fact he only played 11 playoffs games, and when looking at the teams he played for, one quickly understands why.
We're talking about a goaltender with four Top-5 Hart finishes here. On top of my head, there's only five of these, and the other four are Patrick Roy, Dominik Hasek, Martin Brodeur and Glenn Hall.
Which makes the whole thing ironic : the only, only, only kind of reasoning that could possibly make players like Rayners and Worters "Bottom-Tier" is the exactly the kind of awful reasoning required to make Cheevers a palatable HHOF CANDIDATE (and I'm not even talking about being actually enshrined). There's probably a good 3-way comparison to be made between Gerry Cheevers, Marc-André Fleury and Corey Crawford... And I'm not quite sure Cheevers comes on top of it.
Okay, fair enough, I underrated Worters here. By the way, I honestly don't think being a bottom tier goaltender in the HHOF is a bad thing either. I don't think anyone doesn't belong personally so it basically comes down to SOMEONE has to be near the bottom.
I think Fleury gets in eventually when the dust is settled. Crawford, no chance. But I think Cheevers is noticeably ahead of Crawford. I don't think there is ever a time Crawford is the most reliable goalie in the NHL. Cheevers would have been Canada's starter for the 1972 series had he not bolted to the WHA. I think that counts for a lot and tells you that there is more to him than just his stats.
Cheevers allowed 5 goals in both games 1 and 3 of the 1972 final. If Eddie Johnston wins game 5 and clinches the cup, how would history have been written?
Who knows, but he didn't. It is like asking what if Johnston just has an average game in Game 2 of the 1971 series vs. Montreal and the Habs don't comeback to tie the series. The Bruins go up 2-0 and likely win the series.