Dion Phaneuf discussion thread

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Somehow steal Matt Greene from LA and boom! Great top pairing. I wish we could have gotten Regehr, he was beastly with Dion back in the Calgary days. I'm not sure if they got along too well though.
 

zeke

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His playoff performance could probably go down as one of the worst ever. Semin-like.

The fact he wasn't hurt boggles my mind. He looked like he forgot how to skate and had zero intentions of doing anything other than slop around the ice.

Otherwise, he's great/terrific/awesome and all that stuff. He's a #2 offensive D. Anyone who thinks he's a defensive minutes eater in the mold of Chara is out to lunch *Ahem Carlyle*.

Phaneuf was a beast these playoffs, going up against Lucic all series long and producing offensively as well. Shut down the Bergeron line to start, then the Krejci line when he switched.

One of the biggest reasons why this series went to game 7 OT. Without Phaneuf the series wouldn't have been close.
 

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Phaneuf was a beast these playoffs, going up against Lucic all series long and producing offensively as well. Shut down the Bergeron line to start, then the Krejci line when he switched.

One of the biggest reasons why this series went to game 7 OT. Without Phaneuf the series wouldn't have been close.
I generally agree with you, but I strongly disagree. He sucked.
 

Durrr

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I generally agree with you, but I strongly disagree. He sucked.

He had a few stand out bad plays (the bad timed pinch leading to the OT winning goal), but overall he had a pretty impressive playoff series against a team that's probably going to be in the SCF. But please, give me some real facts on why our top 10-15 defecemen "sucked".
 
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zeke

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I generally agree with you, but I strongly disagree. He sucked.

he was great, and did a helluva lot better job vs. the Bruins than all these "shutdown D" that NYR and PIT apparently have.
 

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Oh come on, wake up, Dion isn't that good defensively!!! If we had a top shut down D paired with him, we win game 7!
He's a hell lot better than Karlsson, Letang and Subban defensively, though. In fact, the only way I could see him take tough defensive assignments at high minutes is if he could move the puck like those offensive defenceman. That's an aspect one could attack considering his puck moving ability isn't elite like say, Tomas Kaberle.

Chara, in fact, would struggle in this role. He tends to make a lot of mistakes if expected to do everything. Since he has Boychuk who, at the moment, is taking the toughest assignments amongst D while making effective first pass. In addition, there is Ference who takes very tough minutes as well playing defensively. In that situation, one can give Chara that big minutes, Boston has a lot of specialists.

Furthermore, the lack of consistent puck support from the forwards is what our defence. I am still puzzled on why that's barely mentioned on these boards, because that's why we ended hemmed in our zone. In fact, our forwards were wandering off too much, while in Boston, we see a more cohesive unit. Then again, they have defensively strong centres (outside of Krecji who is a bit above-avg) who can be planted in the defensive zone and yet keep the puck in the offensive zone. The only two centres who can do that on our team is Grabovski and McClement, and latter is not much of an offensive threat.
 

Durrr

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Oh come on, wake up, Dion isn't that good defensively!!! If we had a top shut down D paired with him, we win game 7!

While I agree, we do need another top defencemen to share the load with Dion, that isn't what you said. All you said is that if we had someone better then Dion we win game 7, which doesn't make much sense.
 

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While I agree, we do need another top defencemen to share the load with Dion, that isn't what you said. All you said is that if we had someone better then Dion we win game 7, which doesn't make much sense.

Well, it actually does makes sense. If you replace Phaneuf with Suter, we have a better chance of winning.
 

The_Chosen_One

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Well, it actually does makes sense. If you replace Phaneuf with Suter, we have a better chance of winning.
I'm not even so sure. Suter is great, but even on Nashville with Shea Weber, he wasn't utilized like Dion. In fact, during the 2012 playoffs, Josi and Klein were being used a lot more against top lines and so was Hall Gill. If Suter could be utilized like Phaneuf in the playoffs and produce effectively, I can't see why they'd opt for that arrangement. Losing 4 - 1 to Phoenix as well.

It seems like once you start planting someone like Suter in your zone, against the Getzlaf, Toews of the NHL, he's probably going to lose possession. In other words, 50% offensive start, 45% offensive zone finishes. Phaneuf, on the other hand, is given tougher minutes ( that secured us a playoff spot), 40% offensive zone start, and will exceed that mark in offensive zone finish %. Suter is more of a puck mover while Phaneuf is really a two-way mobile defenceman.
 

Kurisu

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Phaneuf looks competent now seeing how Letang and Karlsson played in these playoffs. Decent offensively (great regarding letang, karlsson), average, mediocre defensively.
 

The_Chosen_One

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Phaneuf looks competent now seeing how Letang and Karlsson played in these playoffs. Decent offensively (great regarding letang, karlsson), average, mediocre defensively.
You meant, Letang amd Karlsson are mediocre defensively? It's understandable. Bylsma is using him in a rather sheltered role. Similarly, if Karlsson and his clone ( hypothetical case) were given defensive duties of Gonchar and Phillips, Ottawa wouldn't have won a single game against the Penguins.

Coaches make use of their players. It's clear that Phaneuf evolved from an offensive defenceman who had to be sheltered to one that could produce at similar levels, but under the toughest minutes. It seems like a number will mindlessly say he's top ten offensively, but forget that he was used defensively while Fraser et al were a lot more sheltered.
 

bunjay

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Still waiting on that injury revalation, huh?


:laugh:

Guy looked like a 50 year old out there. People need to stop making far-fetched excuses.
 

number72

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Last 2yrs Dman ranks:

Top-5 in Quality of Competition
4th in Goals
4th in Hits
6th in Time On Ice
7th in Goals Created
8th in Caphit
11th in Points
Top-25 in Blocked Shots

yep, you're right, relative to the rest of the league is the measuring stick.

And near the bottom in Corsi. Why does everyone ignore Corsi but talk about Quality of competition?
 

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I can't believe how many people under value Dion... it's sad :shakehead
 

mapleleaf979

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6.5 million for Phaneuf? Norris Trophy money? Really? He is not worth a dime over 4-4.5 million.

He is a #3-4 defenseman on any good team.
No top team would dare have him play 1st line minutes.
Phaneuf is not tough and all of the NHL know it.
He is easily intimidated.

IF anyone wants to disagree that Phaneuf is not easily intimidated/cant fight/doesnt intimidate anyone, than your missing the little things that happen during scrums.

Have I seen him skate away from scrums in front of the net because he didnt want a confrontation with someone and have that lead to a fight? Brandon Prust is one, Lucic several times is another, Chris Neil, the list is endless. That gives the opposition confidence to do anything they want on the ice, uncluding running Reimer, hacking at his hands.
 

Lebanese Leaf

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6.5 million for Phaneuf? Norris Trophy money? Really? He is not worth a dime over 4-4.5 million.

He is a #3-4 defenseman on any good team.
No top team would dare have him play 1st line minutes.
Phaneuf is not tough and all of the NHL know it.
He is easily intimidated.

IF anyone wants to disagree that Phaneuf is not easily intimidated/cant fight/doesnt intimidate anyone, than your missing the little things that happen during scrums.

Have I seen him skate away from scrums in front of the net because he didnt want a confrontation with someone and have that lead to a fight? Brandon Prust is one, Lucic several times is another, Chris Neil, the list is endless. That gives the opposition confidence to do anything they want on the ice, uncluding running Reimer, hacking at his hands.

What's the name of the restaurant that you are out to lunch on right now?
 

Bomber0104

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6.5 million for Phaneuf? Norris Trophy money? Really? He is not worth a dime over 4-4.5 million.

He is a #3-4 defenseman on any good team.
No top team would dare have him play 1st line minutes.
Phaneuf is not tough and all of the NHL know it.
He is easily intimidated.

IF anyone wants to disagree that Phaneuf is not easily intimidated/cant fight/doesnt intimidate anyone, than your missing the little things that happen during scrums.

Have I seen him skate away from scrums in front of the net because he didnt want a confrontation with someone and have that lead to a fight? Brandon Prust is one, Lucic several times is another, Chris Neil, the list is endless. That gives the opposition confidence to do anything they want on the ice, uncluding running Reimer, hacking at his hands.

I agree. Overall he is pretty average and the only thing that saves him as a player is being good on the PP.
 

mapleleaf979

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Phaneuf was a beast these playoffs, going up against Lucic all series long and producing offensively as well. Shut down the Bergeron line to start, then the Krejci line when he switched.

One of the biggest reasons why this series went to game 7 OT. Without Phaneuf the series wouldn't have been close.

Notice the only guy that he was chirping and going after was Marchand, the smallest Bruin out there. He wanted nothing to do with Lucic, Chara.

Phaneuf is Soft. Leafs fans need to accept this as reality. Our Captain is Soft. His push back is minimal. He is Over paid. His pinch cost us a playoff game. #3-4 defenseman on any team that is structured properly. I dont put that on Nonis, thtas on Burke. Phaneuf earns Norris Trophy money. Phaneuf was paid due to his major offense output in Calgary OVer 15 goals in his first 3 years and he was hitting everyone. The hits are minimized, the offense is cut in half, his IQ/compete level is average.
 

Lebanese Leaf

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Notice the only guy that he was chirping and going after was Marchand, the smallest Bruin out there. He wanted nothing to do with Lucic, Chara.

Phaneuf is Soft. Leafs fans need to accept this as reality. Our Captain is Soft. His push back is minimal. He is Over paid. His pinch cost us a playoff game. #3-4 defenseman on any team that is structured properly. I dont put that on Nonis, thtas on Burke. Phaneuf earns Norris Trophy money. Phaneuf was paid due to his major offense output in Calgary OVer 15 goals in his first 3 years and he was hitting everyone. The hits are minimized, the offense is cut in half, his IQ/compete level is average.

Why the **** would our most important defenseman, and most important penalty killer be stupid enough to fight a guy in a crucial playoff game and not only risk injury, but take himself off the ice for at least 5 minutes?

You don't have a clue how to evaluate a defenseman's skills, I'm not even going to waste my time with your other points.
 

Duffman955

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Notice the only guy that he was chirping and going after was Marchand, the smallest Bruin out there. He wanted nothing to do with Lucic, Chara.

Phaneuf is Soft. Leafs fans need to accept this as reality. Our Captain is Soft. His push back is minimal. He is Over paid. His pinch cost us a playoff game. #3-4 defenseman on any team that is structured properly. I dont put that on Nonis, thtas on Burke. Phaneuf earns Norris Trophy money. Phaneuf was paid due to his major offense output in Calgary OVer 15 goals in his first 3 years and he was hitting everyone. The hits are minimized, the offense is cut in half, his IQ/compete level is average.

:laugh:

Yes Dion should be fighting Lucic. In the 5 minutes he is off, I guarantee you the solid shutdown pair of gardiner and Franson would be able to do a better job in their own end. sarcasm
 

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