Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023 training camp edition

[Cheddabombs]

Keeping his options open, I like that.

Hellebuyck for Holtz is back on the table! One for one of course

 

[Nocashstyle]

https://x.com/ryannovo62/status/1711442164792586310?s=46&t=8himhhkNm9OJoOEv63g2Ng

Probably for the best. Just needs a little more seasoning.

 

[Csonked Out]

https://fxtwitter.com/ryannovo62/status/1711442164792586310?s=46&t=UlJ0vV5L6kHB_G-fiaATGw

 

[MasterofGrond]

Nemec could be up, I think he’s pretty close to ready, and probably would for many other teams. I think Fitz and ruff probably want Hughes and Bahl to settle in a little bit before adding another guy lacking NHL experience.

We’ll see him by the new year.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

We have the luxury to do this with Nemec. He will be back soon enough.

 

[Darkauron]

Yeah I didnt see Nemec getting a ton of minutes with our D as it is right now. Better to be patient and he is still young

 

[Antiillafire]

Like I said in the Nemec thread a while back any chance he is loaned to a better league?

 

[guitarguyvic]

Lol at posters thinking that the coaching staff was gonna roll with two rookie defenders and Bahl on the top pairing to start the season.

Nemec being sent down was always gonna be the likely outcome no matter how good of a camp he had.

 

[Devs3cups]

https://x.com/ryannovo62/status/1711442164792586310?s=46&t=8himhhkNm9OJoOEv63g2Ng

Probably for the best. Just needs a little more seasoning.

Yeah, it’s fine. He’ll be back soon enough, I’m sure Ruff/Fitz have talked to him about it too. It’s definitely not a permanent thing for the season. I’m sure Simon understands this.

 

[Goptor]

And that he had no broadcast experience of any kind when given the role. I always loved Sal, so I was thrilled he stuck around the team in any capacity. I'm glad they gave him room to grow because he's a genuinely smart and interesting hockey mind.

He's getting national broadcasts so people are aware he's good.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

makes sense

 

[My3Sons]

The NJ defense will start slowly with Bahl being forced into a bigger role and Luke having to adjust to the daily grind faced by an NHL player. If they stay healthy by the end of the season they could be a force as they mature. As good as Luke was in thr playoffs last season he should be even better and more well rounded as a player by the end of this season. Same for Bahl. No way Fitz and management saw the team getting this good this fast.

 

[Saugus]

I'm just hoping that Bahl doesn't have any regression or sophomore slump, as is common for many players. With veterans like Severson and Graves leaving, a large part of our success this season could hinge on whether Bahl is able to mature into his expanded role.

 

[Better Call Sal]

It's far from a surprise if that is the move. He'll be back soon enough.

Miller should be given more time, even if he hasn't had a great camp. It's a new system to learn, and he's been a perfectly serviceable defender for multiple teams in the past.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I'm just hoping that Bahl doesn't have any regression or sophomore slump, as is common for many players. With veterans like Severson and Graves leaving, a large part of our success this season could hinge on whether Bahl is able to mature into his expanded role.

Not really worried about how Bahl will do in the top 4 replacing Graves. Especially playing with Marino.

Think the 3rd pair in Luke and Smith or Miller could be one that causes some issues early on.

Like I said in the Nemec thread a while back any chance he is loaned to a better league?

Not a chance at all.

There also isn’t a better league than the AHL IMO.

 

[Rhodes 81]

I find it very strange that people think Miller is going to be tossed aside over a few preseason games when he's played significant roles on teams that have made deep playoff runs before. That's just not how NHL coaching staffs and front offices operate. He's going to get some run before they just give up on him.

 

[jkrdevil]

A preemptive reminder that the cut down day roster and the roster for game 1 are often very different. Don’t read too much into what is submitted to the league two days before a game as there are usually paper moves made for cap reasons.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Miller just put up 21 points in 79 games and was a +23 playing 16:45 a night for a good Dallas Stars team, so there's no doubt in my mind that he can handle the 3rd pairing role.

He's here to be the placeholder for Nemec. It's entirely possible Nemec takes that role in due time. It's perfectly alright if it isn't right now.

 

[Zippy316]

Miller just put up 21 points in 79 games and was a +23 playing 16:45 a night for a good Dallas Stars team, so there's no doubt in my mind that he can handle the 3rd pairing role.

He's here to be the placeholder for Nemec. It's entirely possible Nemec takes that role in due time. It's perfectly alright if it isn't right now.

Nemec is also eligible to have his ELC slide another year. It’s almost a guarantee the Devils would prefer that to happen unless they absolutely need Nemec.

It is likely for the best that this year is for Hughes/Bahl to settle into NHL roles. Then you have Nemec be the rookie next year so you’re not too green on the blue line.

 

[guitarguyvic]

I find it very strange that people think Miller is going to be tossed aside over a few preseason games when he's played significant roles on teams that have made deep playoff runs before. That's just not how NHL coaching staffs and front offices operate. He's going to get some run before they just give up on him.

Often the proposed line combos and roster decisions I see on here leave me scratching my head. You’d think people posting on a hockey message board would be a bit less naive and more in tune with the decisions NHL staffs are likely to make.

 

[Csonked Out]

https://x.com/darrendreger/status/1711463309726134632?s=46&t=UlJ0vV5L6kHB_G-fiaATGw

 

[Captain3rdLine]

A preemptive reminder that the cut down day roster and the roster for game 1 are often very different. Don’t read too much into what is submitted to the league two days before a game as there are usually paper moves made for cap reasons.

No they aren’t. Other than 1 or 2 small things they are usually exactly what you can expect for game 1. Sometimes there’s some paper things for cap reasons like what we did with Bahl and Nemec last year. Definitely not very different. Ours as with a lot of teams will almost certainly be the exact same. Unless Haula is going on IR which doesn’t seem likely it will be the same.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Yep, would not have wanted the Devils to sign Helle to 7 years at 8.5mil.

Glad we can all definitively move on now

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Often the proposed line combos and roster decisions I see on here leave me scratching my head. You’d think people posting on a hockey message board would be a bit less naive and more in tune with the decisions NHL staffs are likely to make.

I actually think you’re just not reading it properly. Most of what I’ve seen is that people want Nemec to start because they think he deserves it. But at the same time most people seem pretty aware that isn’t likely, Ruff doesn’t want 3 roomie D in and that they weren’t just gonna toss Miller aside.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Nemec is also eligible to have his ELC slide another year. It’s almost a guarantee the Devils would prefer that to happen unless they absolutely need Nemec.

It is likely for the best that this year is for Hughes/Bahl to settle into NHL roles. Then you have Nemec be the rookie next year so you’re not too green on the blue line.

I don’t think we’re expecting Nemec to slide anyways. Very good chance he still plays at least 10 games this year.