beekay414
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I'll probably get ripped by the their defenders but I cannot wait for the day that neither Zacha or Severson are on this team.
Post-Game Talk: Devils lose to Jets 8-4
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I'm at the point where I want Zacha traded, but probably for different reasons.
He's not a bad player at all, but just like when I didn't want Henrique back, his next contract is probably not gonna be great, definitely not gonna be great for us.
For a team that is gonna need to spend wisely in the next few years, locking up Zacha to a big money contract is not the way to go. I don't think he'll be worth his next contract and we're probably gonna have it stuck on our books because I don't think they wanna trade him.
Fitz is probably already thinking ''Well, 6th overall pick, he's really coming into his own the last couple years. Let's give him something good, he's worth a good bit of money I think?''.
He's a guy that if we do end up trading, I think we'll be satisfied with not having him here in 3-4 years from now.
He's not a bad player at all, but just like when I didn't want Henrique back, his next contract is probably not gonna be great, definitely not gonna be great for us.
For a team that is gonna need to spend wisely in the next few years, locking up Zacha to a big money contract is not the way to go. I don't think he'll be worth his next contract and we're probably gonna have it stuck on our books because I don't think they wanna trade him.
Fitz is probably already thinking ''Well, 6th overall pick, he's really coming into his own the last couple years. Let's give him something good, he's worth a good bit of money I think?''.
He's a guy that if we do end up trading, I think we'll be satisfied with not having him here in 3-4 years from now.
Emperoreddy
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Trading Bratt would be monumentally stupid. He is our best forward.
Nas is a good coach, he did very well with what he had. Problem is, he needs to be given a good team, not an imploding team. If he takes over this would be the second time he is taking over an imploding team.
Ironically, Torts is perfect for this team, and this team is perfect for him.
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“We’re just not getting it done. We haven’t been winning,” Harris said. "There wasn’t anything specific. You guys know the record. You guys know everything that’s been done. There were a lot of positives, but it was time to go in a different direction.”
“There’s nothing really different. It’s more a function of, we don’t do these things lightly,” Harris said. "We take a long-term approach. But the reality is, we’re now in our fifth season (with Shero) and we’ve made the playoffs once. And it was just time for a change.”
I decided to dig these quotes up from Harris from the day Shero was fired.
So hypothetically if say we miss the playoffs the next two years, that's 3 years of no playoffs under Fitzgerald (who was Shero's right hand man) and he will have started out with more than Shero had to work with.
And the only reason I bring these up is his comments from yesterday or whatever day that was (it was this week), seems like he doesn't expect to really make a whole lot of noise this year.
Firing Ruff is something that really could go either way for Tom. If he fires Ruff now, that's not gonna look good on him if we don't improve this year, nor next year again. He will have fired a coach and it will have made no difference and it probably will have cost the organization money on paying the rest of Ruff's deal and his staffs deals, as well the new coaches deals.
But if he waits too long to fire Ruff, he might be out the door not too far behind him.
Either way, I think Ruff is safe for this year, next year not so much. If we bottom out this year and finish last in the Metro, I'm starting to think Ruff might not be here at all next year and the same goes for several of his assistants, if not all of them. Nas is probably gone just because of how long he's been here, Recchi is probably gone for being Ruff's lackey that's come in at the same time. Maybe Chris Taylor goes too?
If we go on a really BIG losing streak, Ruff might be gone this year, but like it or not, I feel he's safe for the remainder of this year, but his security for next year has taken a hit IMO. If you would have asked me before this skid, I said Ruff is probably here for all of this year and probably all of next year and gone at the end of next season, if we fail to make the playoffs either of these two years.
“There’s nothing really different. It’s more a function of, we don’t do these things lightly,” Harris said. "We take a long-term approach. But the reality is, we’re now in our fifth season (with Shero) and we’ve made the playoffs once. And it was just time for a change.”
I decided to dig these quotes up from Harris from the day Shero was fired.
So hypothetically if say we miss the playoffs the next two years, that's 3 years of no playoffs under Fitzgerald (who was Shero's right hand man) and he will have started out with more than Shero had to work with.
And the only reason I bring these up is his comments from yesterday or whatever day that was (it was this week), seems like he doesn't expect to really make a whole lot of noise this year.
Firing Ruff is something that really could go either way for Tom. If he fires Ruff now, that's not gonna look good on him if we don't improve this year, nor next year again. He will have fired a coach and it will have made no difference and it probably will have cost the organization money on paying the rest of Ruff's deal and his staffs deals, as well the new coaches deals.
But if he waits too long to fire Ruff, he might be out the door not too far behind him.
Either way, I think Ruff is safe for this year, next year not so much. If we bottom out this year and finish last in the Metro, I'm starting to think Ruff might not be here at all next year and the same goes for several of his assistants, if not all of them. Nas is probably gone just because of how long he's been here, Recchi is probably gone for being Ruff's lackey that's come in at the same time. Maybe Chris Taylor goes too?
If we go on a really BIG losing streak, Ruff might be gone this year, but like it or not, I feel he's safe for the remainder of this year, but his security for next year has taken a hit IMO. If you would have asked me before this skid, I said Ruff is probably here for all of this year and probably all of next year and gone at the end of next season, if we fail to make the playoffs either of these two years.
Devilsgrl35
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I don't disagree, he's been great. He's the last one of the three I mentioned that I'd want to trade. But they are players teams would actually want and they have the most value. This team needs a major shakeup.
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I don't think he's good, but I'm starting to feel he's the least of the handful of evils here. I think Recchi definitely, the goalie coach and Ruff are probably all bigger suspects than him. I don't know what the other guy is in charge of to even say where he stands.
I still think the need for a new goalie coach was beyond unnecessary, unless Rollie told them he's outta here and didn't wanna come back.
I can't say if Rogalski or Rogowski or whatever his name is, is a bad goalie coach, but when we let Melanson go and hired him, I think we were essentially fixing something that wasn't broken. And Blackwood has not played to the standard that he was under Melanson.
And speaking of goaltending, I'm ready to rant about something else I noticed after my goals against review, where I watched ALL of the goals one more time.
Torts or Trotz? Because I want no part of the former.
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Something has to be done. We can't let this continue. Whether we look for a real playoff proven coach or we do a massive shakeup trade involving one of our core players candidates to show no one is safe & to step up their games. We desperately need an impact now elite forward & until we get one we will struggle. We need a roster shakeup & we won't be able to acquire an impact forward without giving up some value.
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Second time I’m typing this because all of my devices suck. I have the biggest lemon Apple has ever put out and my computer is old and shot which is to be expected and froze before my last post could go up.
First goal on Bernier tonight was very reminiscent of a few of Blackwood’s over his past few starts. He just stays stationary and is content to let the puck hit him. That could have called for a poke check too.
First goal on Bernier tonight was very reminiscent of a few of Blackwood’s over his past few starts. He just stays stationary and is content to let the puck hit him. That could have called for a poke check too.
Alex NJD
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I feel like Boqvist has been better than both Kuokkanen and Rango and is more confident now. I know we were set on him being a center and that he's played better there in a small sample but maybe he could make a decent winger
Emperoreddy
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Seems like a move for the sake of a move. Don't see it making a difference. Zacha and Severson aren't really the problem.
They have a major special teams problem and play poor team defense. That's mostly coaching.
JK3
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Sure we’d like some more goals but this team isn’t terrible offensively.
It’s the defense (some of the actual defenseman and crap play by the forwards) but mostly the “structure” or lack thereof and Ruffs system. We’re down to 27th in goals against.
This team is near the very bottom of the league in turnovers in all three zones, it’s brutal. They are very careless with the puck especially in those critical 5 feet or so inside and outside of their blue line. We’ve been giving up a ton of shots too. Combine that with garbage DZ coverage and shaky goaltending and it’s a mess.
Go out and trade for offense all you want. Until they fix the defense (and I mean that in every aspect, attention to detail and d zone structure, winning puck battles, cutting down on turnovers in the DZ and NZ and the careless pinches, solid back checking from the forwards) nothing will change. There’s a ton of crap they need to clean up.
It’s the defense (some of the actual defenseman and crap play by the forwards) but mostly the “structure” or lack thereof and Ruffs system. We’re down to 27th in goals against.
This team is near the very bottom of the league in turnovers in all three zones, it’s brutal. They are very careless with the puck especially in those critical 5 feet or so inside and outside of their blue line. We’ve been giving up a ton of shots too. Combine that with garbage DZ coverage and shaky goaltending and it’s a mess.
Go out and trade for offense all you want. Until they fix the defense (and I mean that in every aspect, attention to detail and d zone structure, winning puck battles, cutting down on turnovers in the DZ and NZ and the careless pinches, solid back checking from the forwards) nothing will change. There’s a ton of crap they need to clean up.
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No goalie in the world plays well behind this team defense. This is why they all turn into Cory Schneider more or less. With the defensemen we have (plus a better defensive structure generally), there is absolutely no reason for us to be this bad defensively. This team bleeds chances, it's horrific and it's on the coaching.
Richer's Ghost
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Torts would dial Hamilton down from what he is to a Severson. Do Not Want.
Discipline and structure yes but not if it costs us all attack ability. Columbus showed his flaws with youth.
Is there a Pat Burns clone out there we can find?
Discipline and structure yes but not if it costs us all attack ability. Columbus showed his flaws with youth.
Is there a Pat Burns clone out there we can find?
Emperoreddy
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This isn't a playoff or bust year so Fitz really shouldn't be in any danger job wise.
Things do get iffy if the team death marches through another winter and it would be in Fitz's best interest to do what he can to avoid that.
I think the expectation inside the organization was the team would at least be mediocre and show improvement while being near, if not actually on the bubble.
They were managing that before the last couple of weeks, but now it's starting to sprial out of control.
The bleeding needs to be stopped starting Monday. I think a shakeup trade is a dumb idea. The value returned would be awful, and odds are it just has the opposite effect and further demoralizes the team.
Firing Ruff might be too extreme right now, though I am not opposed to it. I do think he needs to be put on notice now and firing an assistant might be what needs to happen.
glenwo2
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But let's go ahead and trade him because....reasons.
Omitted a player that is proving to be indispensable.
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Fitzgerald for the most part and his staff have made many good moves that a lot of the posters on here liked at the time. Not every move he makes is going to pan out but for the most part I like him as our GM. Shero helped set things up a bit before he stepped down but Fitzgerald has a vision for this team and has made plenty of good moves so far. Fitz landed us Hamilton , Shero would of never even went after him even though we had to pay him slightly more than anyone else would. His job is and should be 100% safe. Yes we didn't get the coach we wanted missing out on Gallant and Laviolette but Ruff has a ton of experience. He has benched certain players and given others a chance to get in some games and prove the self. Is it really his fault some of these players go out there and get out muscled and turn pucks over making boneheaded plays ? There are certain aspects of the game coaching can improve and than there are certain aspects that take time to see if the player(s) are really cut out to play a certain role on this team or even be in this league in general. That being said the roster has improvement from last season via ufa but we are seeing to many issues from last season over the last 10 games. We're running out of excuses and that is the ultimate frustrating part for the fans.
ninetyeight
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Weird game. A terrible start we looked like we have no business even playing in this league. And then early in the 2nd we looked like a contender, then few minutes later we are terrible again. I was expecting them to fade out in the end coming from a b2b, so the ending wasn't surprising. Had they been sharper early on, things might have gone differently.
I think inconsistant is a word that sums up this season. At times we are a way better team than last year, but I also don't remember us playing as badly last season as we have in few games this year.
Also feels like we've had some terrible goaltending recently, don't know if that's on them, the defence, unluckiness or a combination of it all. I think Bernier, though a much better goaltender, is suffering from a bit of Wedgewood like inconsistancy (one game you have 40shot shutout, and the next few you look like AHL level).
They are now 2-8 in their last 10, which I feared might happen few games ago. From that they were 2-5 without Jack, so they weren't exactly playing like a playoff team then either, contrary to what at least one poster was suggesting.
We have to believe that the players are good, but either are just not executing the system or the system sucks. Otherwise we might as well trade everyone and start from scratch again.
So if the coaches can't get them to win games, then you have to replace them with new coaches, simple as that. I like Ruff as a person and the players seem to like him as well, but this is a job, a multi million dollar business and not some fun hockey camp hang among friends.
I think inconsistant is a word that sums up this season. At times we are a way better team than last year, but I also don't remember us playing as badly last season as we have in few games this year.
Also feels like we've had some terrible goaltending recently, don't know if that's on them, the defence, unluckiness or a combination of it all. I think Bernier, though a much better goaltender, is suffering from a bit of Wedgewood like inconsistancy (one game you have 40shot shutout, and the next few you look like AHL level).
They are now 2-8 in their last 10, which I feared might happen few games ago. From that they were 2-5 without Jack, so they weren't exactly playing like a playoff team then either, contrary to what at least one poster was suggesting.
We have to believe that the players are good, but either are just not executing the system or the system sucks. Otherwise we might as well trade everyone and start from scratch again.
So if the coaches can't get them to win games, then you have to replace them with new coaches, simple as that. I like Ruff as a person and the players seem to like him as well, but this is a job, a multi million dollar business and not some fun hockey camp hang among friends.
Call Me Al
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i don’t care what changes but the team sucks right now and it’s a real slog to even just watch on tv. long miserable stretches with an exciting moment or occasionally a period here and there. embarrassingly unacceptably bad power play, never ready to play at puck drop and some core pieces regressing- they need to nip this in the bud
Team is is too small, too young, it’s frustrating but the team isn’t built right. A trade needs to happen but unfortunately it is has to make sense to two teams. We need some different style players at the forward position. I’m not so sure the owners want to punt this season and have nobody interested in buying tickets by feb. like I am tight now. I see a shakeup coming.
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zacha is a big player who plays a small game. there's no reason he can't be a physical force with his body type but plays like he's 5'9. no one on the top 9 seems like they are capable of separating an opposing player from the puck with their body it's why sustained offense seems so hard for these guys unless you have a player like hughes or bratt or mercer who can zip around the zone a little
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BurntToast
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It will be an interesting subject going forward..
Ruff will have one season under his belt.
(The Covid season is hard to judge. It was terrible but injuries, Covid, the schedule, and no practices really hurt the team..)
Unfortunately going NHL .500 is a improvement from the past couple of seasons.
But the special teams are historically bad, the slow starts are stacking up, it will be interesting to see what happens. I don’t think we will see a change until the offseason..
Ruff will have one season under his belt.
(The Covid season is hard to judge. It was terrible but injuries, Covid, the schedule, and no practices really hurt the team..)
Unfortunately going NHL .500 is a improvement from the past couple of seasons.
But the special teams are historically bad, the slow starts are stacking up, it will be interesting to see what happens. I don’t think we will see a change until the offseason..
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