Devils 2018-19 team discussion (news and notes) - part Xll

[AfroThunder396]

I don't think Kinkaid is going to provide any more value to the team in terms of on-ice play, so it probably is best to trade him now as opposed to letting him walk for free.

The return will be marginal, but it's still something.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Skinner and Stone: yes.
Panarin: maybe
Karlsson: (+ Severson + Vats on defense?... yikes - better also trade for two Vezina-class goalies)
Duchene - want no part of this clown's problems.

lol @ "yikes"ing Erik Karlsson

woof.

also, if Artemi Panarin told you he wanted to sign with the Devils you'd turn him down? Come on now.

 

[njdevil26]

Sining Panarin and Duchene would be hilarious and amazing.

Hall-Duchene-Panarin
Johansson-Hischier-Palmieri
Wood-Zacha-Bratt
Coleman-Zajac-Whatever

I would say at this point the Devils have cause and motivation to get rid of Schneider's contract somehow creating more cap space.

 

[haak84]

Skinner and Stone: yes.
Panarin: maybe
Karlsson: (+ Severson + Vats on defense?... yikes - better also trade for two Vezina-class goalies)
Duchene - want no part of this clown's problems.

If you get someone like karlsson you need an average stay out home defenseman to balance him out. Could see Mueller or Santini developing to fill in some of the minor holes Karlsson’s game has. He elevates the team’s play too much to be worried about filling in the rest of the team D. His team has the puck possessed for too long that the pressure is reduced. He is a Norris worthy defenseman year in and year out would absolutely improve our D.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Karlsson did nothing for like 6 weeks in San Jose

he now has 35 points and a near 60% CF%

think about that.

 

[haak84]

Yikes’ing A defender that plays 25-30 minutes a game with a 60+ Corsi percentage and 70 points a year. My god.

 

[glenwo2]

Sining Panarin and Duchene would be hilarious and amazing.

Hall-Duchene-Panarin
Johansson-Hischier-Palmieri
Wood-Zacha-Bratt
Coleman-Zajac-Whatever

I would say at this point the Devils have cause and motivation to get rid of Schneider's contract somehow creating more cap space.

Why would signing Panarin be "hilarious"?

Is that meant in a good way or in a "This is a stupid signing" way?

 

[haak84]

Karlsson similarity scores:
Brian Leetch
Sergei Gonchar
Nicklas Lidstrom

He is turning 29 where most of the above continued to excel until their late 30’s. If I’m Ray I do whatever it takes to sign him. Highly unlikely though.

 

[njdevil26]

Why would signing Panarin be "hilarious"?

Is that meant in a good way or in a "This is a stupid signing" way?

For the purposes of my post:

Hilarious- Would be amazing... but also will never happen

I mean that in terms of signing both. Panarin and Duchene. I could see one or the other... but these two will arguably be the top of the class and will be sought after by practically every team in the league. I don't know the Devils to be a top destination for free agents... that's at least what recent history shows. Lou always had to overpay to get guys here... and Shero seems to be a bit frugal... for good reasons. I can tell you this, if we consider the Devils and the Rangers to be at similar points in their rebuilds... free agents will choose the Rangers over us. That's a sad reality... but who knows.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

I don't think Kinkaid is going to provide any more value to the team in terms of on-ice play, so it probably is best to trade him now as opposed to letting him walk for free.

The return will be marginal, but it's still something.

Agreed, might as well go Flyers style with the carousel of goalies

 

[Ripshot 43]

I do think Hall signing long term might actually turn our big name FA woes around a bit. Other big FAs seeing him commit to staying might attract players to want to play with him.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

could you imagine a double press conference on July 2nd with Hall and Karlsson signing matching contracts?

*swoon*

 

[billingtons ghost]

lol @ "yikes"ing Erik Karlsson
woof.
also, if Artemi Panarin told you he wanted to sign with the Devils you'd turn him down? Come on now.

Karlsson could make a good team a championship contender, or he could make a mediocre team plain awful. He can't do it by himself. He needs that Seabrook equivalent anchoring the otherside, otherwise it is a shitshow. We don't have that. For the first part of the season in San Jose - they didn't have it either because they paired him with who they thought was the best guy to support him in Vlasic. Look how that turned out - ruined Vlasic. Now he's got a partner with better wheels and his game has taken off - or you need a goalie who can weather the storm - and we clearly don't have that yet. That is my major (and really only) complaint about bringing him here.

I know you've made a career of 'money and cap and contracts don't matter' in defending Zajac's albatross in the past 5 years or so - but seriously - you can't build teams through just one player with a monster contract. Karlsson is going to demand term and top $$$ - and you had better have the team around him that is near to competing for a championship otherwise... how are we any better than last year's Ottawa in this situation? Taylor Hall instead of Duchene?

Panarin wants to come here - yep, point a game player who is 27. That's all great. But he's another LW that is going to ask for what? 8m aav minimum on a discount deal? Are you REPLACING Hall, or are you really going to trot him out there on the second line next to Zajac, or Zacha. I mean - I get the wonderful idea of Fantasy hockey with infinite cap but don't we have other glaring holes in a number of positions to fill before we go out and get another 5'11 LW scorer? Won't it hurt us elsewhere?

I just think Skinner brings more, and Stone would be arguably a better value on a cheaper contract at 6'4" and would push Palms down to the 2nd line. I think we could do Stone AND resign Hall, and add someone on D instead of just getting Panarin and potentially losing Hall.

 

[Ripshot 43]

Karlsson similarity scores:
Brian Leetch
Sergei Gonchar
Nicklas Lidstrom

He is turning 29 where most of the above continued to excel until their late 30’s. If I’m Ray I do whatever it takes to sign him. Highly unlikely though.

Yikes

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Karlsson could make a good team a championship contender, or he could make a mediocre team plain awful. He can't do it by himself. He needs that Seabrook equivalent anchoring the otherside, otherwise it is a ****show. We don't have that. For the first part of the season in San Jose - they didn't have it either because they paired him with who they thought was the best guy to support him in Vlasic. Look how that turned out - ruined Vlasic. Now he's got a partner with better wheels and his game has taken off - or you need a goalie who can weather the storm - and we clearly don't have that yet. That is my major (and really only) complaint about bringing him here.

I know you've made a career of 'money and cap and contracts don't matter' in defending Zajac's albatross in the past 5 years or so - but seriously - you can't build teams through just one player with a monster contract. Karlsson is going to demand term and top $$$ - and you had better have the team around him that is near to competing for a championship otherwise... how are we any better than last year's Ottawa in this situation? Taylor Hall instead of Duchene?

Panarin wants to come here - yep, point a game player who is 27. That's all great. But he's another LW that is going to ask for what? 8m aav? Are you REPLACING Hall, or are you really going to trot him out there on the second line next to Zajac, or Zacha. I mean - I get the wonderful idea of Fantasy hockey with infinite cap but don't we have other glaring holes in a number of positions to fill before we go out and get another 5'11 LW scorer? Won't it hurt us elsewhere?

I just think Skinner brings more, and Stone would be arguably a better value on a cheaper contract at 6'4" and would push Palms down to the 2nd line. I think we could do Stone AND resign Hall, and add someone on D instead of just getting Panarin and potentially losing Hall.

wait do you actually think Marc Methot is good, or? Thats who Karlsson dragged around for YEARS in Ottawa and made him actually look capable.

You wouldn't take Panarin for $8 million/year!? Are you nuts?! He is going to command more than that anyways, but sheesh...

I'm not sure you quite understand our cap space.We could give max contracts to 2 of those guys on my list and still have plenty of room. We could absolutely re-sign Hall and give one of those guys a max contract and still be totally fine.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

I personally dont want Karlsson just for the sheer fact I want others instead

I wouldnt be upset if we did get him Id just rather Panarin or Skinner

 

[billingtons ghost]

wait do you actually think Marc Methot is good, or? Thats who Karlsson dragged around for YEARS in Ottawa and made him actually look capable.

I'm not sure you quite understand our cap space.We could give max contracts to 2 of those guys on my list and still have plenty of room. We could absolutely re-sign Hall and give one of those guys a max contract and still be totally fine.

No, you're proving my point. Karlsson was a -668867678 player because every time he took a flyer, he fished the puck out of his net. I think every OTT/Devils game I watched for years featured at least two episodes of our guys streaking in 2-on-0 because Karlsson tried for a home run and caught everyone out of position. He's a great player and can do great things and sometimes tries to do too much. We'll see if San Jose gets out of the first round and whether a Karlsson-induced terrible breakdown is the impetus for their exit this year. They are a good enough team (with Jones and their D corps and reliable back-checking forwards) that they can absorb that.

You wouldn't take Panarin for $8 million/year!? Are you nuts?!

I know you have a problem , but I won't answer your garbage like this. I pointed out that he's a luxury - like adding a Kovalchuk-lite in his prime. I don't think you understand how to build a team. Learn how to be civil.

I'm not sure you quite understand our cap space.We could give max contracts to 2 of those guys on my list and still have plenty of room. We could absolutely re-sign Hall and give one of those guys a max contract and still be totally fine.

I'm not sure you can read nor how to build a team. I just outlined that yes, we can sign Hall, and give ONE of those guys a max contract. Are we ready to compete for a cup with Hall and Panarin as our two big (and only) additions? Does that move the needle so much that it is worth jeopardizing resigning Nico, or Zacha if they blow up - or better - going out and getting a decent defenseman, or goaltender? Duchene (whom I despise) probably makes the most sense at making us stronger down the middle going forward. Karlsson certainly makes more sense in adding to our D corps. Stone makes sense because we could probably add two max guys + Stone. Skinner is almost a Panarin equivalent with a ppg, a bit more size, a year younger, and a more complete game and probably better character that might come at the same price or less.

 

[JimEIV]

Karlsson or Myers does nothing to address the left side of this D...Obviously if you can add a player the caliber of Karlsson you do it but we need a better Dman on that left side as our #1 priority in my opinion.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

are we really using plus/minus as an argument in 2019 as if it matters whatsoever?

also, signing Hall plus one of those guys does not jeopardize re-signing Nico whatsoever. We can afford to pay one of those guys JUST with the money coming off the books this offseason from Johansson, Boyle, and Lovejoy (~$10 million). That doesn't even touch the cap space we currently still have available.

 

[Nubmer6]

are we really using plus/minus as an argument in 2019 as if it matters whatsoever?

also, signing Hall plus one of those guys does not jeopardize re-signing Nico whatsoever. We can afford to pay one of those guys JUST with the money coming off the books this offseason from Johansson, Boyle, and Lovejoy (~$10 million). That doesn't even touch the cap space we currently still have available.

It's not a completely useless stat. It's just part of the big picture.

 

[Triumph]

It's not a completely useless stat. It's just part of the big picture.

It is almost completely useless. Especially for a player like Karlsson.

 

[MartyOwns]

it’s funny because in all likelihood, none of the guys you’re arguing about will want to sign here anyway

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Ovechkin scored 51 goals one year and was a -35

another year in his career he scored 50 goals and was a +45

wonder how that can be explained? Or maybe plus/minus is a stupid antiquated state?

 

[OmNomNom]

skinner is gonna re-sign in buffalo, let's be honest

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

who has said we should stop trying to upgrade LHD? Certainly not me.