Devils 2018-19 team discussion (news and notes) - camp begins!

[Darkauron]

Kinkaid..AHL goalie...

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Vatanen, Severson, Butcher are automatic locks for a roster spot
Mueller is almost a lock for me and his off-season play cemented that but wont list him as a lock just yet
Santini just signed and cannot be put on waivers again. He is a lock for an NHL spot, starting or not.

That leaves one position open for Greene, Lovejoy, Yakovlev, and any young defensemen who step up.

What do yall think will happen with the defense and our open spot or two?

 

[Call Me Al]

It doesn't make sense to give a player with Wood's results this sort of money. Kase got 2.6 for 3 years and he's a much better player. Moreover, if Shero does increase his offer, now every future RFA knows that he can be broken. It will just increase the possibility that players will miss parts of training camp to try to get a better contract.

don't 100% agree on the money value but the precedent is the most important part. at this point you can't give incentive to all of the other young players to hold out and try to break ray for more money

 

[RangerDoggo]

More than anything else I want specifics, or at least a general idea of where the negotiations stand, so I can have a better reason to panic other than my own paranoia. Tom Wilson money is absurd, but I don't see $2.5mil AAV as unreasonable. Again, we've got $18 million in cap space. Even if that is a slight overpay, it's better than leaving things to chance with guys who've never played an NHL game.

 

[RangerDoggo]

Vatanen, Severson, Butcher are automatic locks for a roster spot
Mueller is almost a lock for me and his off-season play cemented that but wont list him as a lock just yet
Santini just signed and cannot be put on waivers again. He is a lock for an NHL spot, starting or not.

That leaves one position open for Greene, Lovejoy, Yakovlev, and any young defensemen who step up.

What do yall think will happen with the defense and our open spot or two?

Greene isn't going anywhere, he's the captain. I can see Lovejoy and Mueller being left off if they're behind a step or two. I can definitely see Ty Smith making the opening roster if he proves himself. Yakovlev could surprise us as well.

I wouldn't call Severson a lock just yet. As Shero said, he's got things to improve, and he was scratched late last season several times.

 

[Bleedred]

Greene isn't going anywhere, he's the captain. I can see Lovejoy and Mueller being left off if they're behind a step or two. I can definitely see Ty Smith making the opening roster if he proves himself. Yakovlev could surprise us as well.

I wouldn't call Severson a lock just yet. As Shero said, he's got things to improve, and he was scratched late last season several times.

Severson isn't a lock? So we're just gonna waive him?

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

More than anything else I want specifics, or at least a general idea of where the negotiations stand, so I can have a better reason to panic other than my own paranoia. Tom Wilson money is absurd, but I don't see $2.5mil AAV as unreasonable. Again, we've got $18 million in cap space. Even if that is a slight overpay, it's better than leaving things to chance with guys who've never played an NHL game.

Its not about how big the contract is now and how much cap we have. The number he gets now will affect his next negotiation and arbitration (if need be). Thats the holdup.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Severson isn't a lock? So we're just gonna waive him?

I was thinking this as well. If Severson isn't a lock he is being traded - which could make sense with our logjam of middle-bottom four defenseman. Severson would have great value around the league, likely the greatest of anyone outside of Butcher.

 

[OmNomNom]

Vatanen, Severson, Butcher are automatic locks for a roster spot
Mueller is almost a lock for me and his off-season play cemented that but wont list him as a lock just yet
Santini just signed and cannot be put on waivers again. He is a lock for an NHL spot, starting or not.

That leaves one position open for Greene, Lovejoy, Yakovlev, and any young defensemen who step up.

What do yall think will happen with the defense and our open spot or two?

not if we're carrying 7 D

 

[RangerDoggo]

I was thinking this as well. If Severson isn't a lock he is being traded - which could make sense with our logjam of middle-bottom four defenseman. Severson would have great value around the league, likely the greatest of anyone outside of Butcher.

Literally a "shape up or ship out" situation.

If he doesn't cut it with us, I'd love to see what he could fetch on the trade market.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

not if we're carrying 7 D

We still have eight unless Yakovlev is simply let go

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Greene isn't going anywhere, he's the captain. I can see Lovejoy and Mueller being left off if they're behind a step or two. I can definitely see Ty Smith making the opening roster if he proves himself. Yakovlev could surprise us as well.

I wouldn't call Severson a lock just yet. As Shero said, he's got things to improve, and he was scratched late last season several times.

and where is Severson going, exactly?

 

[OmNomNom]

We still have eight unless Yakovlev is simply let go

vatanen
severson
butcher
mueller
greene
santini

yak or whoever steps up. could arguably just throw him in binghamton, just pay him big money to be down there.

or maybe we'll make a sudden trade.

 

[Blender]

Severson is absolutely a lock. That is separate from the team potentially getting tired of him and trading him.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

vatanen
severson
butcher
mueller
greene
santini

yak or whoever steps up. could arguably just throw him in binghamton, just pay him big money to be down there.

or maybe we'll make a sudden trade.

Lovejoy makes that eight

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Locks
F - Hall Hischier Bratt Palmieri Zacha Johansson Zajac Coleman Noesen Boyle (Wood)
D - Vatanen Greene Severson Butcher Santini
G - Schneider Kinkaid

Almost a lock
Lovejoy, Mueller, (Lack if Schneids is hurt)

With Wood Lovejoy & Mueller included, this would leave 3 remaining spots for Smith Yakovlev Quenneville Seney Anderson McLeod Speers and any other rando.

 

[Blender]

I think it's clear that there are a lot fewer spots open this season than last, where most of the roster was in play.

 

[OmNomNom]

Lovejoy makes that eight

maybe LJ gets a mysterious skin disease that prevents him from skating?

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Remember last season when everybody was freaking out that Coleman and Gibbons made the roster over Quenneville and Blandisi

 

[Setec Astronomy]

maybe LJ gets a mysterious skin disease that prevents him from skating?

LJ will have the same roll as he did last year. Or he can be put on waivers. We can save the skin disease for someone more "deserving."

 

[JimEIV]

I romantically long for the days when young players with 27 goals in 142 games didn't "hold out" like they're Brett Hull or Bobby Orr.

Claude Giroux had 102 points and 34 goals to go with it this season...Giroux scored 1.22 goals per 60 minutes played...Miles Wood had 1.20

As I have mentioned previously Wood scored more goals per 60 minutes than Cam Atkinson, Marleau, Kopitar, Eberle, Niederreiter, Evandar Kane, Stamkos, Duchene, Horvat, Simmonds, Krieder, Coutier, Panarin...we can go on forever...but Giroux was 71st in the league in G/60 and Wood was 74.

If we throw away the goals per 60 and just look at raw goals...there were only 118 players in the league that scored more than 19 goals. That is 2nd line goal production on ANY team in the league. And when you are doing that with 12 minutes a night you've accomplished something.

Now, nobody is saying Wood is in the caliber of those aforementioned players...but he performed very well in his contact year....that is supposed to be rewarded.

 

[OmNomNom]

i'm thinking maybe we do a trade with our D for prospects. maybe santini, honestly, since it seems like management doesn't love him (what a waste, tbh).

it would fix our roster issues with D and help us down the line

 

[BahlDeep]

Btw I was sarcastic about Kinkaid

 

[Call Me Al]

thats actually 2nd line on the least scoring team in the league. and giroux had 68 assists to wood's 13. he had good goals per 60. he's a good player. he's not a well rounded player, and he pretty much sucked after getting suspended last year. plus, those other guys have track records of sustained success. wood's not there yet. he also has no leverage.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

More than anything else I want specifics, or at least a general idea of where the negotiations stand, so I can have a better reason to panic other than my own paranoia. Tom Wilson money is absurd, but I don't see $2.5mil AAV as unreasonable. Again, we've got $18 million in cap space. Even if that is a slight overpay, it's better than leaving things to chance with guys who've never played an NHL game.

If $2.5M is the ask, I'd guarantee we'd have a done deal by now. There's nothing unreasonable about that.