Confirmed with Link: Derek Grant obtained from Anaheim for Criscuolo + 4th

[Curufinwe]

As long as Aube-Kubel remains in the lineup then I have no issue with adding depth.

Grant has the kind of hands NAK never will.

 

[AdamParrot]

Our new 4C’s baby: (cuz you need two...)

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f***ing awful. My god...

 

[NicolasAubeKubel]

How does he have a 39.9 Corsi

 

[Curufinwe]

Terrible moves. Frost and Patrick are better options.

Frost isn't a 4C and Patrick isn't even cleared yet.

 

[Kalv]

Congrats guys, Grant is everything you want from a 4th line center and then some.

Don`t look at those fancy stats too much. Grant often started in Dzone and very reguralry cleared heavy minutes.
He skates fast, takes a lot of ice, can score.

 

[Jettany]

Slow, huh. You really studied these guys closely.

I think I heard Grant is a very good skater. I could be wrong.

 

[DancingPanther]

Our new 4C’s baby: (cuz you need two...)

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"depth moves"

One is whatever. 2 is dumb. Saves us from Andyoff which is something (and definitely big time saving us from Bitch Stewie) but is it really a save from Andyoff? Are these guys that much better than someone like him? Marginally....

Thompson's relative xGA/60 is the 2nd worst forward on the Habs in 180 minutes of 5 on 4 PK at +1.66. Not good. At 5 on 5 he is just not that good either. Seems like he bounced around on the 3rd and 4th lines so maybe MAYBE if he stays on the 4th line he is less overmatched and a little more effective, like a Laughton type issue.

Grant is horrendous turning in the worst, by far, rel xGF% and CF% on the Ducks. he's an effective PKer though with a relative xGA/60 at -1.1.

Don't worry guys the guys on NHL network are saying these are great moves. Grant "wins faceoffs and can punch guys in the head" and "both acquisitions will help the Flyers get back to their identity" because clearly they need to get back to their identity of the Broad Street Bullies (I assume that this is what they mean) because this new identity has done so much damage at 35-20-7 and actually putting some heat on the Pens and Caps for 1st in the division

 

[landsbergfan]

Boyd Gordon replacement

 

[flyersjim73]

Congrats guys, Grant is everything you want from a 4th line center and then some.

Got a brief scouting report on him?

 

[landsbergfan]

The 4th and 5th round price tag is ironic, because they're now the 4th and 5th best option on the team to play 4C

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Not really a fan of this at all.

 

[TB87]

"depth moves"

One is whatever. 2 is dumb. Saves us from Andyoff which is something (and definitely big time saving us from Bitch Stewie) but is it really a save from Andyoff? Are these guys that much better than someone like him? Marginally....

Thompson's relative xGA/60 is the 2nd best forward on the Habs in 180 minutes of 5 on 4 PK at +1.66. So he could step in as an option on the PK at least. At 5 on 5 he is just not that good. Seems like he bounced around on the 3rd and 4th lines so maybe MAYBE if he stays on the 4th line he is less overmatched and a little more effective, like a Laughton type issue.

Grant is horrendous turning in the worst, by far, rel xGF% and CF% on the Ducks. He's also their worst 5 on 4 PKer in terms of relative xGA/60 at -1.1.

Don't worry guys the guys on NHL network are saying these are great moves. Grant "wins faceoffs and can punch guys in the head" and "both acquisitions will help the Flyers get back to their identity" because clearly they need to get back to their identity of the Broad Street Bullies (I assume that this is what they mean) because this new identity has done so much damage at 35-20-7 and actually putting some heat on the Pens and Caps for 1st in the division

Thank you DP. Seeing a lot of folks putting lipstick on these pigs and it’s very confusing

 

[landsbergfan]

Got a brief scouting report on him?

aggressive pker, decent shot, bleeds chances, replaceable at best

 

[Curufinwe]

Thank you DP. Seeing a lot of folks putting lipstick on these pigs and it’s very confusing

You think these pig fiddlers would have learned after the Braun disaster.

 

[AndHeMissedTheNet]

guys, it's DEPTH. you get one guy who can bump Bunnaman down to the AHL (he'll be a fine 4th line center for the future, but i dunno if i'd trust him come playoff time) and another guy who's a decent option as your 13th forward.

i agree that if this results in NAK or Farabee getting healthy scratches come playoff time, we can all be upset. but you didn't give up much here, it doesn't mess with the team chemistry too dramatically, and you have more options down the middle. i don't understand a lot of the butthurt posts that i've read. i also don't put too much stock in some of their advanced stats being bad - especially Grant's. badly coached bad teams will provide bad results. that doesn't mean the player is inherently bad.

 

[OrangeAndBlackMetal]

i have another very important question.... and that question is... why?

 

[tictactoe]

Congrats guys, Grant is everything you want from a 4th line center and then some.

Don`t look at those fancy stats too much. Grant often started in Dzone and very reguralry cleared heavy minutes.
He skates fast, takes a lot of ice, can score.

I thought we addressed that issue with previous trade?

 

[FLYguy3911]

Bunnaman is nothing special and is likely benefitting from Raffl and NAK, but he has a positive xGF% since his recall. Compare that to Laughton who is at -7.42 over the same time period (quick someone bump his contract thread and point out the bad takes).

Not sure you could expect much better than that given his role (and not like there aren't other internal options behind him).

 

[DancingPanther]

Thank you DP. Seeing a lot of folks putting lipstick on these pigs and it’s very confusing

As long as the new acquisitions don't get lumped into "He'll hardly play. It won't even make a difference!" They exclaim territory, it's whatever. The Grant trade annoys me more than the Thompson trade, mainly because of the 4th rounder.

The 5th is whatever. But a 4th and 5th for these guys? Again I'm not saying the room is burning but I'm not terribly excited either. I'd be much less vocal (let it be clear I'm not seeing red here like Bitch Stewie for example) if they ONLY made the Thompson trade.

 

[DancingPanther]

aggressive pker, decent shot, bleeds chances, replaceable at best

And we sent a 4th rounder for him. Annoying, not infuriating.

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

Flyers add depth at center, get Nate Thompson, Derek Grant

With little cap space to work with, Fletcher added Nate Thompson from the Montreal Canadiens for a 2021 fifth-round pick and Derek Grant from the Anaheim Ducks for South Jersey native Kyle Criscuolo and a fourth-round pick in 2020.
Thompson, 35, is a pending unrestricted free agent with a $1 million cap hit who has four goals and 14 points in 63 games for the Canadiens while averaging 12:48 of ice time. He has 62 games of playoff experience, mostly with the Ducks between 2015 and 2017.
Grant, who turns 30 in April, is also on an expiring contract worth $700,000. He has a career-high 14 goals with the Ducks averaging 13:52 of ice time.
It’s unclear exactly how Alain Vigneault will alter his depth chart
moving forward. Connor Bunnaman seems destined to be headed to the Lehigh Valley Phantoms, although he did practice with the Flyers Monday.
Grant may end up either being the third- or fourth-line center, which would make Thompson either a fourth-line center or extra body. Scott Laughton, who prefers to play wing and the Flyers prefer to see him there, may end up moving out of the center position with the moves.​

 

[Rebels57]

I would be fine with Grant OR Thompson at 4C.

I said as much the other day that the only move I thought Fletcher NEEDED to make was upgrading 4C.

Acquring TWO 4C's is certainly odd though lol

Do they move Laughton back to wing and try Grant at 3C?

Or might Thompson be a healthy scratch?

I'm a bit confused. If both are in the lineup it forces NAK or Raffl out and I don't think they want to do that.

 

[Hockeypete49]

I love both moves!!

 

[FLYguy3911]

Grant likely 4C and Thompson the 13F. Bunnaman to LV.

 

[Rebels57]

Terrible moves. Frost and Patrick are better options.

Patrick is not cleared for contact yet let alone a lineup option.

Frost is top 9 or bust. They wouldnt use him in a 4th line capacity. Have not all season. It's his 1st pro season and he's better off as 1C in AHL getting big minutes than he is playing 10 min a night in NHL. He's also not a PK option at NHL level yet and you want your 4C capable of PKing / winning draws.

But I would have been fine with Frost at 3C and Laughton at 4C.