Going to be really interesting to see how this all plays out. Also seems like a rather random time for this to resurface.
Is there a less random time for this sort of thing to come up though?
Going to be really interesting to see how this all plays out. Also seems like a rather random time for this to resurface.
Why should he be suspended until it's investigated? He should be fully punished if it's true, but considering this was not the first time the same paper has tried to push this story (if I'm reading correctly) there's also a very real chance that it's not true, or there's more to the story than being reported.
Again, innocent until proven guilty and all that. Still, if it's true I hope he is punished. Though I suspect even if he's 'proven innocent' it won't change peoples minds; charges and accusations like this have a tendency to stick regardless of the outcome.
A lot of famous/rich people settle out of court and get NDAs to avoid media speculation like this. It's sad, but in today's day and age it doesn't matter if you're innocent or not just the mention or accusation of something like that going public can heavily taint your reputation.From my perspective, I'm curious why someone would agree to a settlement and ask for an NDA if they didn't do it. I also find it curious when she quotes him with that "99%" remark which seems rather random to be made up.
Tell that to Jagr.A lot of famous/rich people settle out of court and get NDAs to avoid media speculation like this. It's sad, but in today's day and age it doesn't matter if you're innocent or not just the mention or accusation of something like that going public can heavily taint your reputation.
I'll mention it the next time we're having a casual chat.Tell that to Jagr.
Many celebrities does not care.
A lot of famous/rich people settle out of court and get NDAs to avoid media speculation like this. It's sad, but in today's day and age it doesn't matter if you're innocent or not just the mention or accusation of something like that going public can heavily taint your reputation.
Yeah I'm not saying everyone does, just that it has been noted in many articles that it's not an uncommon practice. I think a lot of it has to do with the legal representation, the situation and the way things can look.While, there's some truth to that... Varly took it stride and he clearly didn't do anything wrong. Others as well Doughty had a similar issue I believe. Even the fact that I vaguely remember something but not really says something.
Kane too he was clearly innocent as well.
Der Spiegel apparently has a long history of investigative journalism. That article looks well put together and it really looks damning.
From my perspective, I'm curious why someone would agree to a settlement and ask for an NDA if they didn't do it. I also find it curious when she quotes him with that "99%" remark which seems rather random to be made up.
I agree partly, but on the contrary, I'm also curious as to why women agree to a settlement and NDA with their alleged abusers, when they could potentially prevent it from happening to more women in the future. I guess that many women in that situation believe (rightfully so) it's too tough to prove the abuser's guilt and it's not worth the trouble of dealing with public scorn from fans of the abuser. It's just something hard to fully understand as someone not in that situation.
You're a hot chick that spends a night partying with a football star in a bar, both of you get drunk (at the very least), then you go to his hotel room with him. What exactly do you expect he wants to do with you there, discussing early Romantic poetry?
(1) It's hard to charge, indict, or convict these crimes in criminal court. Accusers are always informed of this.If anything wrong happened to her, she should have indicted him as soon as possible. Taking money from Ronaldo for 9 years and then suddenly decide to make it public speaks volumes about her character. I don't buy for a second the idea that she was somehow being traumatized by the event and it took her nine years to finally speak up. Also not sure what consensual sex is supposed to mean in this case. You're a hot chick that spends a night partying with a football star in a bar, both of you get drunk (at the very least), then you go to his hotel room with him. What exactly do you expect he wants to do with you there, discussing early Romantic poetry?
If anything wrong happened to her, she should have indicted him as soon as possible. Taking money from Ronaldo for 9 years and then suddenly decide to make it public speaks volumes about her character. I don't buy for a second the idea that she was somehow being traumatized by the event and it took her nine years to finally speak up. Also not sure what consensual sex is supposed to mean in this case. You're a hot chick that spends a night partying with a football star in a bar, both of you get drunk (at the very least), then you go to his hotel room with him. What exactly do you expect he wants to do with you there, discussing early Romantic poetry?
Yup. About everything.Because most humans care about themselves first, and their families, and only then - maybe - about changing the world.
Because if you're up against someone rich and powerful, you will have your name, character and past dragged through the mud.
Whatever happened in that room with Ronaldo, she'll have the tape showing them having a good time in that club shown a million times, and asked why she went up to his room in the first place. They'll do everything to portrait her as a gold digger and someone trying to milk him for money, and regardless of how this imaginary trial went, it would be rough for her.
(I mean, women have the right to go people's rooms and change their mind, but you get the picture as to what kind of questions would come)
Not saying Ronaldo is guilty or not, I have no idea, none of us do - but just describing why it's difficult for women to pursue this.
I mean, the other day the US president was making fun of a woman who was potentially destroying her life testifying about how she was molested.
Ronaldo not a part of the Portuguese NT anymore, apparently they do take the allegations seriously.
If anything wrong happened to her, she should have indicted him as soon as possible. Taking money from Ronaldo for 9 years and then suddenly decide to make it public speaks volumes about her character.
Also not sure what consensual sex is supposed to mean in this case.
If anything wrong happened to her, she should have indicted him as soon as possible. Taking money from Ronaldo for 9 years and then suddenly decide to make it public speaks volumes about her character. I don't buy for a second the idea that she was somehow being traumatized by the event and it took her nine years to finally speak up. Also not sure what consensual sex is supposed to mean in this case. You're a hot chick that spends a night partying with a football star in a bar, both of you get drunk (at the very least), then you go to his hotel room with him. What exactly do you expect he wants to do with you there, discussing early Romantic poetry?
(1) It's hard to charge, indict, or convict these crimes in criminal court. Accusers are always informed of this.
(2) If it's a case of both parties having consenting to sex and then one retracting that consent but the other persisting- it is rape. But that is incredibly hard to prove and no evidence short of witnesses or a recording can establish that.
(3) She filed a civil suit because the burden of proof is lower and it is an established form justice. OJ was acquitted in the criminal case, found culpable in the civil case.
(4) Her current lawyer claims the terms of her initial settlement were unfair and possibly illegal and unenforceable. She's not just speaking up now, she spoke up then and had a deal and recently was informed her deal wasn't good and wants to correct that.
(5) Consent is consent. I understand that one should expect that things would get sexual in that circumstance, it is absolutely implied, but (forgetting about convictions and the law here) if someone doesn't want to have sex and they express that they shouldn't be forced or coerced or made felt beholden into it. That's a very clear and simple red line. Alcohol complicates things so that's why everybody says No Means No. Women should feel empowered enough to say no (even when they fear for a violent or bad reaction) and men should understand that No means they should stop for that moment and reassess the situation with humanity and humility. Sometimes a girl says no but wants to keep being pursued - that's definitely a thing that happens - but a no is a no.
You should read the report:
There is a recording of Mayorga's call to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department at 2:16 p.m. on June 13, 2009. (...) The police officer who spoke with Mayorga noted that the caller was extremely distraught and did not want to provide the name of the alleged perpetrator. All she would say is that it was a "public figure" and an "athlete." (...) The report also notes that the police arrived at the Mayorgas' home shortly after 2:30 p.m. on that Saturday afternoon. They radioed back to headquarters on several occasions, where an officer noted that the alleged victim wanted to go to the hospital for a rape kit examination, which is performed on victims of sexual violence to secure evidence and to examine and photograph possible injuries.
The police brought Mayorga to the University Medical Center just before 4 p.m. The CAD report notes that at 5:15 p.m., she had offered vague information about the alleged scene of the crime, saying that it was a hotel "near" Flamingo Road, where the hotel Palms Place is located. "They kept trying to make me say his name. And I was like 'I'm not going to say his name,'" says Mayorga. They also wanted to know where it had happened, but she was scared of providing too many details. (...) Under the category reserved for the type of attack, the nurse noted "patient's rectum penetrated" and that ejaculation had occurred "in assailant's hands. (...)
She says she then engaged a lawyer. The police "told her she was going to have all these hospital bills and medical bills" if she didn't say his name, says [her mother] Cheryl. A friend recommended a lawyer named Mary Smith, whose name has been changed for this story. At the time, she had a small practice in Las Vegas. The Mayorgas describe Smith as friendly and kind-hearted. Looking back, though, they think it was a big mistake not to have contacted a lawyer with more experience in such matters.
The lawyer advised her to make a complete statement to the police. And two or three weeks later, Mayorga estimates, a police officer came and recorded her statement. As part of this statement, she also mentioned Ronaldo's name. "I printed out pictures of him. Because the guy didn't know who he was." (...) The officer, she says, was an older man. When she told him that she had kissed Ronaldo in the bathroom, she says, the officer reacted by saying: "'Uh-oh, that's going to be a problem, that's going to be a problem!' And he's like: 'Well, just so you know, you getting an attorney, that doesn't look good,'" Mayorga recalls. "He was just like reaming me. And I said, 'My parents told me to get the attorney!'" She adds: "I didn't know what to do. I'm trying to hide this! I didn't really want this out."
In the end, she pleaded with the police officer to do nothing with her statement, saying that she still needed some time and that she wasn't emotionally stable. He promised her, she says, to wait until she was ready. From that point on, Mayorga was trapped in this dilemma: On the one hand, she didn't want to go public with her name or his. On the other, she wanted justice. Her lawyer, she says, then proposed clearing up everything out of court.
"He tried to take my underwear off. I turned away from him and curled up into a ball. And I was holding my vagina. And that's when he jumped on me." She says she said "no, no, no, no." Ronaldo, Kathryn Mayorga claims, raped her anally. Without a condom. Without lubricant.
Ronaldo's own statement from the September 2009 questionnaire: "She said no and stop several times."