Der Spiegel: C. Ronaldo confessed to have had non-consensual sex in 2009 document

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  1. Natey

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    Really? I have no interest in Ronaldo. I don't care about the Spanish leagues and he hasn't joined his home country team yet, so I don't need to defend him.

    The writer says her side. How hard it must be for her. Everything.

    Nothing has been proven yet but he's using his position with bias. Simple as that.
     
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    Please demonstrate where he says "how hard it must be for her" the way you just wrote it. The only "bias" I'm seeing from the thread you referenced is defending the journalism wherein he states they have hundreds of documents of which they've put forth the ones they consider key. This very clearly isn't an opinion piece and any bias (again, I'd like to see it) is surely based on the evidence they supposedly have.
     
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    Anyway, apparently a few other women's claims about Ronaldo are being looked into. I haven't seen much more than headlines. While Der Spiegel's case seems well put together with what looks to be some damning evidence, a false claim from someone else could make Mayorga's claim seem less credible.
     
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    Video of them dancing together have (obviously) resurfaced.
     
  5. les Habs

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    Mayorga? There were pictures of them together when the story first broke (this time round when they named her). It's not proof, but it adds to the stack of evidence and it doesn't look good.
     
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    Yeah but this time you see them dance together.
    Which obviously doesn't mean it wasn't a rape but will mean so to plenty of people who don't want to see anything else.
     
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    That isn't how this works.
     
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    Sadly in the public eye, it does. It doesn't clear him legally or civilly, but it may help him in the media.
     
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    Seem less credible in the court of public opinion perhaps, but it does nothing to damage her actual credibility.
     
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    I don't need to demonstrate. It's literally in the last few of those 24 tweets.

    You don't have to agree with me. I'm coming from a fellow journalist perspective.

    I'm not defending Ronaldo in any way. If guilty, he's guilty. If he's innocent, this sucks.

    But you still don't write bias as a professional unless I'm mistaken and this dude writes for the German version of TMZ.
     
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    But the vast majority are and pretending otherwise is detrimental because it makes women less likely to report assault
     
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    (1) No
    (2) Potentially
    (3) If they are saying no, they're not willing, barring prior communication otherwise. Creating a conspiracy is actually really ****ed up.
    (4) Doesn't matter
     
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    It is like most things, the actions of a few make things harder for the rest. I have nothing but respect for the victims that come forward if they are telling the truth.

    1) That's clearly not good for him.
    2) I would think so as confidentiality was breached.
    3) Agreed, not my cup of tea but there are people with rape fantasies. Agreed, sadly there are people that do such things in this world.
    4) It seems like many of those that do these kinds of despicable acts do it more than once.
     
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    Yup. And most men aren’t sexual assaulters. But the actions of the few mean women should be believed given that sexual assault is so so so much more prevalent than false accusations.


    2) depends how it was breached
    3) yeah and you have absolutely no evidence that there was a rape fantasy other than Ronaldo allegedly saying, paraphrasing, she was asking for it.
    4) while true, that changes nothing.
     
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    Sadly, but for me it just adds to the story of them being together. I guess I'm putting it in the context of the Kavanaugh accusation, which I really shouldn't, but there seems to be a mountain of evidence that Mayorga's story is credible to a large degree. Of course it still lacks proof unless that questionnaire was legitimate and I'm guessing the way it was obtained it is.

    I completely agree, but as @hatterson noted in the court of public opinion or in some people's mind a false accusation would likely mean the too would rule our Mayorga's claim. Like I've said from the first moment, this doesn't look good for Ronaldo considering what's been put forward by Der Spiegel.
     
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    Cristiano Ronaldo's Las Vegas Rape Accuser Dropped Lawsuit


    Edit- I don’t why link is titled as it is, but article is linked below

    Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
     
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    Yeah, he dropped it, but nobody knows if she got a check for it.
    In any case, nobody but those two will know what happenned.
    However, Ronaldo admitting he forced her is forever going to be a blackeye on his career.
     
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    She was seen this week driving a Ferrari :sarcasm:

    Anyhow, I’m surprised no one has developed a consent app for smartphones yet, particularly for celebrities.

    ...phones patent office...
     
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    That part I have a hard time believing mainly because it was through email. Who confesses to a lawyer via email? You have to be a special kind of dumbass to confess via email. If he did it he's a piece of **** who should be in jail, no doubt.

    As I get older, I no longer jump to conclusions ever since reading about the Duke Lacrosse team, Kane, Jussie Smollett(not rape) and now Neymar. A false rape accusation is just as bad and damaging. I would never look at one of my friends the same way again if they are accused of rape whether it's true or not. Just the thought of it will always play in the back of my mind.

    I think everyone, especially celebrities should walk around with consent forms in their wallets and purses.
     
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    I just applied for a trademark for a consent app for smartphones I’m developing...

    But yeah, I think he’s settled now with this Spanish cheese he’s been with, but I remember an interview with Luiz Felipe Scolari who said that Ronaldo was literally with a different woman every night when he was Portugal manager. The odds are eventually someone will see an opportunity and stab you in the back.
     
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    Oh there's no doubt nobody should jumpt to conclusions EITHER way.
    Here though Ronaldo admitted she said no and he didn't care.

    Now for some people, that may be normal though :D
     
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    Apparently the Der Spiegel reporter does not have the most reliable background either:
     
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    Relotius was one person, it's regrettable that such people can survive as journalists for several years but it says nothing about the reliability of professional journalists in general.
     

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