Proposal: Deja vu. Pierre-Luc Dubois in Rangers

[broc]

The value probably isn’t bad, but it’s not a good fit. No from Jets

 

[Oddbob]

This is bern-esque, PLD definitely is happy in Canada and playing well for the Jets. No reason they move him.
With what we’ve just seen the last month Schneider’s value to the rangers is sky high. Almost irreplaceable. He’s not moving. Kid can’t get here fast enough

On what planet is PLD considered to be playing well?

 

[Tob]

there is only 1 bernmeister
accept no imitations

that said,
while nearly everybody is theoretically available for a profit, Jets need Dub. and NY needs Schneid

we count our blessings every day that there is only 1 Bernmeister.

 

[bernmeister]

we count our blessings every day that there is only 1 Bernmeister.

the inclination to suspect too much of a good thing
is outweighed by
potential dilution of the original, including possible unwanted confusion,
caused by adding the imitation

 

[Tob]

Terrible for the Rangers.

This is predicated on the assumption and logic that PLD is a #1C and the high cost it takes to acquire a rare commodity in a 1C but he's had 21 points in 45 games this year, 49 in 70 the year before. This is 2C production and he's nowhere close to being a 1C in the league if you start listing centers better than PLD.

Strome had 49 in 56 this year, 59 in 70 the year before.

If we factor out line mates and factor in potential, you could say Strome is a lower to mid end 2C and PLD is a mid to higher end 2C.

This price of paying a good prospect in Schneider and a top 6 forward in Buchenvich (48 points in 54 games, PK specialist) to upgrade from Strome to PLD is silly.

If PLD was a true 1C, then we'd be having a conversation but he's not.

If you look at point production, age, contract, career etc. for an older center with more point production in a better situation with more success traded for a younger higher potential center with less point production but underperforming, the last Rangers trade for that was Brassard for Zibanejad and a 2nd. Dorion goofed on that but the idea that the Rangers should move 2 players with more point production that are happily fitting in with their teams plus a great defensive prospect for the hyped up player in PLD is silly.

 

[howkie]

Na, I rather give PLD a real season first (hopefully new coach aswell)
Strome and Buch are both 1 year from UFA.
So next summer we sit here again and need a center.

 

[jay from jersey]

I think the Jets hold onto their guy here. Will probably look to address the need on D via free agency.

I like the trade though. How soon is Schneider going to be in the league?

He looks ready now. That’s the problem with having so much nhl talent ready at the same time. Him and lundkvist are going to be fighting for the same spot

 

[AirGut]

WPG isn't moving Dubois. They found their guy up front and will be looking for a big D as that is their biggest hole. And the Rangers aren't going for anyone other than Jack Eichel at the moment, and good because there isn't a point in wasting the asset capital on a guy like Dubois. We have the ability to make 1 huge blockbuster move and it's been written on the wall for it to be Eichel

 

[EK392000]

He looks ready now. That’s the problem with having so much nhl talent ready at the same time. Him and lundkvist are going to be fighting for the same spot

Great problem to have though

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Strome is 5 years older and a UFA in a year, not to mention PLD adds size down the middle. Strome has definitely put up bigger numbers in the last year, but from a Jets POV that just makes it unlikely that they would be able to resign him. He also was not anywhere close to as productive with his previous teams, so the Jets would be running the risk of Strome numbers dropping substantially as there is a reasonable chance that part of his success is that he is just a great fit in the Rangers system. Honestly I don't get why Ranger fans keep making proposals with him, every other fan is wary for the reasons above, while he has been great for you guys. With his previous struggles and his fit in the current organization it seems like there would be a chance of a home town discount, especially with it being NY.

How does this address my total point?

 

[TGWL]

Rangers:
Pierre-Luc Dubois
3rd 2021
3rd 2022 (CBJ)
Jets:
Braden Schneider
Ryan Strome (@ 50% Ret) $4,500,000 = $2,250,000
Pavel Buchnevich RFA.

I can't speak for Jets, but there's no way NYR makes that trade. I don't know what kind of salary PLD is going to be looking for but he just doens't put up enough points to offset losing a player already putting up 50 points and our best RW producer, on top of a pretty good D prospect with size.

For all the crap Strome gets, we're still waiting for PLD to break 50 points without Panarin. The age difference certainly matters and you want to think about the future, not the next 2 years, but I feel there will be some tough contract negotiations going on with PLD.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

The value probably isn’t bad, but it’s not a good fit. No from Jets

I beg to differ....

 

[Mersss]

Rangers:
Pierre-Luc Dubois
3rd 2021
3rd 2022 (CBJ)
Jets:
Braden Schneider
Ryan Strome (@ 50% Ret) $4,500,000 = $2,250,000
Pavel Buchnevich RFA.

I can't speak for Jets, but there's no way NYR makes that trade. I don't know what kind of salary PLD is going to be looking for but he just doens't put up enough points to offset losing a player already putting up 50 points and our best RW producer, on top of a pretty good D prospect with size.

For all the crap Strome gets, we're still waiting for PLD to break 50 points without Panarin. The age difference certainly matters and you want to think about the future, not the next 2 years, but I feel there will be some tough contract negotiations going on with PLD.

It's settled then

Cause I'd rather see the NYR trying to compose with Buchnevich as a 7.5M$ anchor contract next year than the Jets.

NYR have said it, he's a near PPG winger who's a great PKer... lol... He's the product of better player than he is, and is about to get PAID for it. Can't wait to see the NYR overpay him and Strome, and have little to no space in order to sign back their other players

 

[its josh]

Overpay in trade for PLD, sign Tortorella.

Most Rangers off-season ever.

 

[TGWL]

It's settled then

Cause I'd rather see the NYR trying to compose with Buchnevich as a 7.5M$ anchor contract next year than the Jets.

NYR have said it, he's a near PPG winger who's a great PKer... lol... He's the product of better player than he is, and is about to get PAID for it. Can't wait to see the NYR overpay him and Strome, and have little to no space in order to sign back their other players

Settle down. He's not getting 7.5 million from us. But you absolutely don't just toss away your only legit RW producer because you're scared of what the contract will look like. You get into a contract negotiations and then go from there. With that said, I posted it in another thread and I have a bad feeling the organization will make him expendable for some stupid toughness trade. I see him as the winger Rangers dangle even though they probably shouldn't.

 

[Guffman]

The Jets have struggled to find a 2C over the past few years, giving up first round picks for rentals at that position. We have finally secured a hard to acquire player for that position. Strome only has a year left before he is a UFA.

We gave up Laine for PLD. We’re not going to put a big long-term hole in our line-up for flipping him for a rental, a soon to be expensive winger which we don’t need and a defensive prospect that doesn’t help us in our current window.

 

[north49er]

Hey, wanna trade your Tesla with flat tires, for my 98 Civic that runs great and two Celine Dion CD’s.

The both perform the same…

Change those CD's for USB's and you're on....

 

[Guffman]

Jets don’t have cap issues, just an FYI. Cap is one of their least concerns. Cap is currently the best it’s been in multi years.

I don’t know about that. We may have to make some salary cap decisions over Copp and Stastny and Pionk needs to be resigned. Frankly, I am hoping we also bring in a higher end defenceman, which will eat up some cap. We just can’t waste another year with these cheap plugs.

While our cap situation is kinda good, it’s will be used up this offseason.

 

[TS Quint]

I don’t want a coward like Buchnevich on the Jets.

 

[bernmeister]

At the end of the day, Jets favor youth w/an eye long term.
Howev,
if they did want to gamble a bit now w/Scheif + esp Wheeler not getting younger, I could see
something around
Zib
Strome
NYR 2021 1st

for

PLD

working

in that both sides get something.
WIN adds scoring and win now help
Rangers repurpose cap add a cornerstone pivot

 

[bernmeister]

Terrible for the Rangers.

This is predicated on the assumption and logic that PLD is a #1C and the high cost it takes to acquire a rare commodity in a 1C but he's had 21 points in 45 games this year, 49 in 70 the year before. This is 2C production and he's nowhere close to being a 1C in the league if you start listing centers better than PLD.

Strome had 49 in 56 this year, 59 in 70 the year before.

If we factor out line mates and factor in potential, you could say Strome is a lower to mid end 2C and PLD is a mid to higher end 2C.

This price of paying a good prospect in Schneider and a top 6 forward in Buchenvich (48 points in 54 games, PK specialist) to upgrade from Strome to PLD is silly.

If PLD was a true 1C, then we'd be having a conversation but he's not.

If you look at point production, age, contract, career etc. for an older center with more point production in a better situation with more success traded for a younger higher potential center with less point production but underperforming, the last Rangers trade for that was Brassard for Zibanejad and a 2nd. Dorion goofed on that but the idea that the Rangers should move 2 players with more point production that are happily fitting in with their teams plus a great defensive prospect for the hyped up player in PLD is silly.

general agree
we are not dealing Schneid we need him in 2-3 yrs as Trouba replacement

 

[Snowman]

At the end of the day, Jets favor youth w/an eye long term.
Howev,
if they did want to gamble a bit now w/Scheif + esp Wheeler not getting younger, I could see
something around
Zib
Strome
NYR 2021 1st

for

PLD

working

in that both sides get something.
WIN adds scoring and win now help
Rangers repurpose cap add a cornerstone pivot

Two rentals makes it a very, very easy no from Winnipeg.

 

[Goomba]

This is bern-esque, PLD definitely is happy in Canada and playing well for the Jets. No reason they move him.
With what we’ve just seen the last month Schneider’s value to the rangers is sky high. Almost irreplaceable. He’s not moving. Kid can’t get here fast enough

Man oh man, every Ranger is irreplaceable nowadays huh

Not even the Rangers' third best defensive prospect under 24, and hes irreplaceable... right

 

[bernmeister]

Two rentals makes it a very, very easy no from Winnipeg.

hence my disclaimer "at the end of the day..."

 

[elitepete]

The people that don’t think the gap between PLD and Strome is big will look silly really soon.