Player Discussion David Krejci. IV

[Tmac37]

Not hard to tell Lonnie was going to come in and derail this thread.

 

[KrejciMVP]

It's really just the same old story, great game and his faults need to be highlighted. The only criticism I have is the Bruins not doing the painfully obvious and surrounding him with talent to bring out his best traits, but I do realize the Bruins have wasted tons of money on bust players and are handcuffed having to develop players which Krejci has helped big time with.

 

[Mainehockey33]

No, I'm not discrediting anything. I've given him full credit for his assist totals plenty of times here. But given the team is struggling to score, he needs to contribute more than he has because he has the ability and skills to do so. I also didn't single him out. I lumped him in with Pasta and Marchand about the goals since all three could contribute more.

So like I said earlier, your response falls under the territory of even valid criticisms about him can't be discussed without the pro DK crowd getting defensive and using misdirection.

As I said a few posts ago, my favorite player is Marchand. But even though he's my favorite, I can say that he hasn't been playing up to his own standards this year. His scoring has been off and the team needs him to do a better job of scoring goals consistently. I also think he's gotten to infatuated with his dipsy do moves and is trying to skate through too many guys when passing it to the open guy is a smarter play. I can say that without needing to throw up excuses because I can be critical and honest about it.

Yet people here can't even say that DK going 18 games between goals was bad. He didn't score a ****ing goal for the entire month of October ffs, yet people can't say that was unacceptable for some reason. And when you point that out, you get called a hater or being agenda driven. In reality, there is no agenda. Just looking for the team to win and the team needs DK to be a huge part of that since he's so important to the team.

That criticism would be like if the team needed more scoring on the power play and me ragging on Chara for not producing there. Or needing better transitions and Chara not being a fast enough PMD. It’s not his game. Chara can carry the puck but if you hold him to to a pure PMD standards you’ll never be happy with him.

Scoring goals has never been Krejci’s game, we both know this. If he’s setting up his linemates and on pace for nearly 80 points, do you really care that most are assists? This is ridiculous.

 

[LSCII]

It's really just the same old story, great game and his faults need to be highlighted.

See, this is where you loose me Jesse. There are roughly 10 or so quotes here in this thread from after the game last night calling people out for things that were factually not true. If you look at the Pasta thread, he had a good game last night but there are virtually no posts saying the equivalent of "Suck it Pasta haters". Yet there are close to a dozen here in DK's. Marchand's thread has plenty of people that dislike his game and the way he plays, but nobody is in there crowing because he scored two goals last night. Yet in DK land, we've got this ardent group of posters who feel the need to defend everything he does, and in real time.

 

[LSCII]

That criticism would be like if the team needed more scoring on the power play and me ragging on Chara for not producing there. Or needing better transitions and Chara not being a fast enough PMD. It’s not his game. Chara can carry the puck but if you hold him to to a pure PMD standards you’ll never be happy with him.

Scoring goals has never been Krejci’s game, we both know this. If he’s setting up his linemates and on pace for nearly 80 points, do you really care that most are assists? This is ridiculous.

He's never been an elite goal scorer, but he's surely capable of putting up a pace for more than 7 goals for a season, no? Saying he should be around 20 goals each year isn't a stretch, given he usually ends up around that mark. So when he's on a pace to net 7-8 per, that's him being off his own personal pace, no? Is that not fair to call out or discuss? This is the problem with this place. You can't be truthful or honest about the guy without 50 people rushing to defend and excuse away the comments.

 

[KrejciMVP]

See, this is where you loose me Jesse. There are roughly 10 or so quotes here in this thread from after the game last night calling people out for things that were factually not true. If you look at the Pasta thread, he had a good game last night but there are virtually no posts saying the equivalent of "Suck it Pasta haters". Yet there are close to a dozen here in DK's. Marchand's thread has plenty of people that dislike his game and the way he plays, but nobody is in there crowing because he scored two goals last night. Yet in DK land, we've got this ardent group of posters who feel the need to defend everything he does, and in real time.

I've always thought this debate has never been about Krejci or getting the most out of his skills and what we can do to make him better, but rather it's about winning points on the board.

The Krejci we saw last night we would see more often if the Bruins knew what they were doing, but we sit in a wild card spot mixing and matching lines, trying to find toughness etc. If they could only do the simple thing and get him a RW or somebody to compliment his play.

Its always a mess with this franchise

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

jesus, coming in here & complaining about his goal totals after the clinic he put on last night is so tone deaf.

at least wait until he's slumping again.

 

[bwunderlich]

I'd really like to see Marchand and Pasta stay with DK when Bergy comes back.

I'm fairly confident that if i deposited a steaming turd on the sidewalk, Bergeron could weave it into Egyptian cotton. So . . . Debrusk or Heinen, and/or Donato on a line with Bergy could reap immediate benefits and more importantly, long-lasting three-zone experience with one of most complete professionals to ever lace them up.

my .02

 

[Mainehockey33]

He's never been an elite goal scorer, but he's surely capable of putting up a pace for more than 7 goals for a season, no? Saying he should be around 20 goals each year isn't a stretch, given he usually ends up around that mark. So when he's on a pace to net 7-8 per, that's him being off his own personal pace, no? Is that not fair to call out or discuss? This is the problem with this place. You can't be truthful or honest about the guy without 50 people rushing to defend and excuse away the comments.

Let’s say he plays the whole year with Marchand and Pastrnak and puts up 11-70-81. Would you be disappointed in his play? I’m really having a hard time telling if you’re serious or not lol.

 

[LSCII]

I've always thought this debate has never been about Krejci or getting the most out of his skills and what we can do to make him better, but rather it's about winning points on the board.

The Krejci we saw last night we would see more often if the Bruins knew what they were doing, but we sit in a wild card spot mixing and matching lines, trying to find toughness etc. If they could only do the simple thing and get him a RW or somebody to compliment his play.

Its always a mess with this franchise

You and I have personally been through this before. I literally listed all the wings DK has played with an aside from last year when he got Spooner and JDB for most of the season, he has played with incredibly gifted scorers. And even last year, they spent capital to try and get him Nash and that would have been good except for Nash getting concussed.

So this perpetual belief that the team has hung him out to dry and not provided him with quality players is a fabrication.

Wheeler and Ryder. Lucic and Horton. Lucic and Iggy. Loui Eriksson. Nash, They signed Backes and tried him with DK, but it didn't work out. Same thing with Beleskey.

They've done a ton to try and get him viable players, whether it's worked or not, and for the most part it has.

 

[LSCII]

Let’s say he plays the whole year with Marchand and Pastrnak and puts up 11-70-81. Would you be disappointed in his play? I’m really having a hard time telling if you’re serious or not lol.

Disappointed, no. Would I think he could have and should have scored more goals to go along with those assists? Yes. Would that small critique be valid? Yes it would be. Would it be dismissed and excused away by a lot of people here? Absolutely.

 

[Dr Hook]

One of the biggest problems on this board with discussing DK is the fact that he is never at fault for anything to some. If you look at Marchand's thread, or Pasta's thread, you will find things like "tried to do too much" "made a lazy pass" "didn't backcheck" "is in a slump" etc. and everyone seems okay with that. DK goes missing for a few games, as happens with him, it gets mentioned, and it the team's fault for misusing him or giving him crap wingers. It's fine to take exception to the small minority that pop off about him being lazy, soft etc. That is uncalled for, just like it is with Tuuka, but the man is a human being which means he is going to be off at times, and some players are streaky on top of that. DK has some responsibility for his play does he not? Or is he the only guy in the NHL that isn't?

 

[KrejciMVP]

You and I have personally been through this before. I literally listed all the wings DK has played with an aside from last year when he got Spooner and JDB for most of the season, he has played with incredibly gifted scorers. And even last year, they spent capital to try and get him Nash and that would have been good except for Nash getting concussed.

So this perpetual belief that the team has hung him out to dry and not provided him with quality players is a fabrication.

Wheeler and Ryder. Lucic and Horton. Lucic and Iggy. Loui Eriksson. Nash, They signed Backes and tried him with DK, but it didn't work out. Same thing with Beleskey.

They've done a ton to try and get him viable players, whether it's worked or not, and for the most part it has.

I think the last line where he had players that brought out the best in is play was the Iginla year. He led the league in plus minus and had one of his best years leading to his contract. Since then I havent seen a line where I thought we could win a cup with. Loui could score but never really considered him a gamebreaker. Pasta has come along, Debrusk too but they are still developing with Debrusk hopefully breaking out this year. I'd rather get him a RW similar to Iginla or Horton and keep Bergeron with Pasta and Marchand

 

[DKH]

2020 Bruins win Cup

And David Krejci leads all playoff scorers

 

[TCB]

2020 Bruins win Cup

And David Krejci leads all playoff scorers

If that ever happen: He's jersey would undoubtedly be up in the rafters.

 

[LSCII]

jesus, coming in here & complaining about his goal totals after the clinic he put on last night is so tone deaf.

at least wait until he's slumping again.

Clearly you missed the entire point. Go back and read through if you want. Wasn't complaining about goal totals. Was complaining that you can't have an honest discussion about this guy because of so much BS from the die hard DK fans.

The goal totals were merely an example of how even a legit topic is dismissed and ignored by that group, and it was immediately jumped on and excused away, proving the point I was actually making. So uh, thanks to them, I guess...

 

[Mathews28]

Yet people here can't even say that DK going 18 games between goals was bad. He didn't score a ****ing goal for the entire month of October ffs, yet people can't say that was unacceptable for some reason. And when you point that out, you get called a hater or being agenda driven. In reality, there is no agenda. Just looking for the team to win and the team needs DK to be a huge part of that since he's so important to the team.

There are some who blindly support DK regardless of how he's playing. Those views are unrealistic.

Right now, though, the current batch of DK supporters also includes the fickle type who, once he cools off, will flip the switch and start bashing him again.

Said another way, DK is getting a lot of love right now, but a portion of that can evaporate quickly in a short period of time...then we'll be back to the norm, where any honest assessment of #46 is viewed by some as blasphemous, or that it's Sweeney's fault because he's not giving him wingers, and whatever excuse they can conjure up.

Truth is, everyone is right, and everyone is wrong...the most accurate assessment of DK and anyone else lies somewhere in between all of the drama, blind loyalty, agenda driven criticism and overreaction. Best to keep things in perspective.

With that, my view is Krejci is a valuable player at both ends of the ice, but who is absolutely streaky and that's not going to change ... and a guy who carries a cap hit a bit higher than his true value. I'm not cutting him slack when he seems off, and I think some of this recent adoration is a bit much, a lot of b-washing is going on (new top line? Cast Bergy to the 2nd line? c'mon). He's a very good player and those who will invariably be crushing him in these forums once he goes pointless for 3-4 games should look back and remember this stretch he's on to moderate their views and emotions.

 

[Glove Malfunction]

Then blame DK himself for it.







Those quotes are why he gets that label, fair or not.

No, he get's that label during some games, by people who don't see him make a mean face, so he must not care. It's dumb then too.

 

[LSCII]

No, he get's that label during some games, by people who don't see him make a mean face, so he must not care. It's dumb then too.

Ha! You put it out there, now you don't like why because it was DK himself who basically said he didn't compete hard during the regular season. Hilarious. But yeah, mean face FTW...

 

[LouJersey]

DK playing phenomenal. He needs to do this every game when Bergeron is back as well. He's def still got it

 

[KrejciMVP]

What a joke . He’s got a good attitude and doesn’t act entitled , like Some of the Red Sox we’ve seen. What a city to play in, and it’s interesting to see a cup winner labeled that way by fans who win once every 40 year’s or so. It’s not like any others players set the bar of a winning culture here since Orr

 

[LSCII]

What a joke . He’s got a good attitude and doesn’t act entitled like Some of the Red Sox we’ve seen. What a city to play in, and it’s interesting to see a cup winner labeled that way by a team who wins once every 40 year’s or so. It’s not like any others players set the bar of a winning culture here since Orr

What do the Red Sox have to do with this argument in the least? It's amazing the depths people will resort to in order to excuse away any perceived flaw in this guy's play. It's a constant game of misdirection. This is why we can't even discuss this guy here.

 

[LSCII]

DK playing phenomenal. He needs to do this every game when Bergeron is back as well. He's def still got it

Of course he still has it. He's a really good player.

 

[Pay Carl]

Then blame DK himself for it.







Those quotes are why he gets that label, fair or not.

TBH I think part of the idea that he is some lazy Euro is just the culture difference

European players are just very honest, whereas the Canadian players (and to a lesser extent Americans) grow up in this culture of having to provide these textbook answers during interviews

Rask is the exact same way. Laine, Kotkaniemi, Yakupov, and I'm sure many more

The difference is they just say what they're thinking whereas North Americans are trained to just lie about it. As evidenced by the Senators Uber gaffe earlier this year

 

[LSCII]

TBH I think part of the idea that he is some lazy Euro is just the culture difference

European players are just very honest, whereas the Canadian players (and to a lesser extent Americans) grow up in this culture of having to provide these textbook answers during interviews

Rask is the exact same way. Laine, Kotkaniemi, Yakupov, and I'm sure many more

The difference is they just say what they're thinking whereas North Americans are trained to just lie about it. As evidenced by the Senators Uber gaffe earlier this year

And that may very well be the case.