Player Discussion David Krejci. IV

[LSCII]

But that would ruin a perfectly good narrative that the game has passed Krejci by, he’s too slow, he shouldn’t be given quality wingers, is a 4th line center, doesn’t try, and can’t play well with Pasta. Have I missed any?

These are myths created by the DK can do no wrong crowd. Most people here weren't saying he was washed up. They were saying he's a different player when motivated. Hardly a hot take and hardly controversial. In fact, it's accurate. When he's engaged and moving his feet, he's a really good player. When he's disinterested, you don't even notice him out there. Rather than trying to point fingers, why not simply enjoy the run he's on with Marchand and Pasta for now?

 

[Dr Hook]

I know we like to use JFK as an abbreviation. I mean who likes to type out the full name? But I need to ask if that is a typo? Isn't it suppose to be RNH?

Oh yes that's right. Don will be getting his genius hat on and trading Krug and Donato for him.

 

[Mainehockey33]

It’s always seemed to me like if Bergeron is your favorite player, you don’t appreciate what Krejci does as much. It’s not always the case and I’m not just talking about fans on this board. You see it still, that Krejci is just keeping the seat warm for Bergeron... Krejci is the best playmaker on the team, so if you think it’s a good idea to give him lesser wings, then I just don’t understand the thought process behind it. Krejci is the best playmaker on the Bruins since Savard. Does it make a lick of sense to put him with guys like Nordstrom who wouldn’t know what to do with the passes he’s been making this year?

 

[Mainehockey33]

Debrusk is a great player, but he’s not an east-west type player that can work the five and go like Krejci has been doing with Marchand and Pastrnak.

 

[LSCII]

It’s always seemed to me like if Bergeron is your favorite player, you don’t appreciate what Krejci does as much. It’s not always the case and I’m not just talking about fans on this board. You see it still, that Krejci is just keeping the seat warm for Bergeron... Krejci is the best playmaker on the team, so if you think it’s a good idea to give him lesser wings, then I just don’t understand the thought process behind it. Krejci is the best playmaker on the Bruins since Savard. Does it make a lick of sense to put him with guys like Nordstrom who wouldn’t know what to do with the passes he’s been making this year?

My favorite player is Marchand, so I don't really have a horse in this race.

I can say that of the two though, I appreciate Bergeron more than Krejci because of his consistency year in and year out and game in and game out. DK runs hot and cold with higher peaks but far lower valleys. When he's on fire, he's incredible. When he's disinterested, he's invisible. So due to that alone, PB gets the nod from me.

 

[Mainehockey33]

My favorite player is Marchand, so I don't really have a horse in this race.

I can say that of the two though, I appreciate Bergeron more than Krejci because of his consistency year in and year out and game in and game out. DK runs hot and cold with higher peaks but far lower valleys. When he's on fire, he's incredible. When he's disinterested, he's invisible. So due to that alone, PB gets the nod from me.

I just think it’s weird that Krejci gets no slack for his injuries but everyone else does.. Chara with his knee was terrible for a year, Lucic with his ankle sprain and the cup run when he f***ed up his nose. To me Bergy and Krejci are on the same level. Bergeron has a better defensive game and Krejci is a great puck carrier and playmaker. Even last year we don’t get passed the Leafs without Krejci but everyone still wants to trade him ASAP.

 

[Kegs]

Where’s all the Krecji haters now?

 

[LSCII]

I just think it’s weird that Krejci gets no slack for his injuries but everyone else does.. Chara with his knee was terrible for a year, Lucic with his ankle sprain and the cup run when he ****ed up his nose. To me Bergy and Krejci are on the same level. Bergeron has a better defensive game and Krejci is a great puck carrier and playmaker. Even last year we don’t get passed the Leafs without Krejci but everyone still wants to trade him ASAP.

He gets no slack because people realize how important he is to the success of this team, so it's frustrating to watch him play during one of his patented invisible streaks, and lets be honest too, DK's injuries aren't the issue. It's his attitude and apparent lack of hustle when he's in a lull. And the crap he gets for that inconsistency is valid, IMO.

As for Chara and Lucic, there were people here who wanted both gone for years, but I think they got more leeway because despite the injuries both were pretty consistent with their efforts most games.

 

[False Start]

Debrusk is a great player, but he’s not an east-west type player that can work the five and go like Krejci has been doing with Marchand and Pastrnak.

To counter your point, neither Lucic, Horton, or Iginla/Eriksson were east-west players.

What exactly is an east west player tho? A player with good lateral agility? Like Marchand, Grzelyck, Pasta, Bjork?

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

He gets no slack because people realize how important he is to the success of this team, so it's frustrating to watch him play during one of his patented invisible streaks, and lets be honest too, DK's injuries aren't the issue. It's his attitude and apparent lack of hustle when he's in a lull. And the crap he gets for that inconsistency is valid, IMO.

As for Chara and Lucic, there were people here who wanted both gone for years, but I think they got more leeway because despite the injuries both were pretty consistent with their efforts most games.

sorry, but thats more of the dirt dog boston bullsh*t.

if a player isnt making a mean face, then he clearly isnt trying. heaven forbid a guy is stoic/even keel and doesnt show ups or downs. and just because a guy makes the right faces, doesnt mean he's giving full effort all the time either.

FYI, everyone has "invisible streaks" difference is Bergeron gets excuses made for him (linemates, must be injured, etc) whereas Krejci gets crucified for it

 

[Kegs]

He gets no slack because people realize how important he is to the success of this team, so it's frustrating to watch him play during one of his patented invisible streaks, and lets be honest too, DK's injuries aren't the issue. It's his attitude and apparent lack of hustle when he's in a lull. And the crap he gets for that inconsistency is valid, IMO.

As for Chara and Lucic, there were people here who wanted both gone for years, but I think they got more leeway because despite the injuries both were pretty consistent with their efforts most games.

I disagree. I find he is a very good two way centre. When he isn’t scoring he Is still effective.

 

[Mainehockey33]

He gets no slack because people realize how important he is to the success of this team, so it's frustrating to watch him play during one of his patented invisible streaks, and lets be honest too, DK's injuries aren't the issue. It's his attitude and apparent lack of hustle when he's in a lull. And the crap he gets for that inconsistency is valid, IMO.

As for Chara and Lucic, there were people here who wanted both gone for years, but I think they got more leeway because despite the injuries both were pretty consistent with their efforts most games.

I think people conflate his injuries with lack of hustle. He’s had multiple hip surgeries because of chronic hip problems and more recently an MCL tear, which I think is what Chara has when he was bad for an entire year. Even through all that Krejci has never had a bad offensive year, just average ones. And the years he played with good wingers (Lucic/Horton, Iginla, the good versions of Wheeler and Ryder) this team as a whole has done the best. That’s why the argument of Krejci should just play with whoever and be ok with it makes no sense.

It’s like when DK went down against the Flyers in 2010, we all go down. And when DK is healthy and has good wings, the team is one of the best in the league. Give the best playmaker guys that can utilize his talent.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I disagree. I find he is a very good two way centre. When he isn’t scoring he Is still effective.

Still a great puck carrier too.

 

[Mainehockey33]

To counter your point, neither Lucic, Horton, or Iginla/Eriksson were east-west players.

What exactly is an east west player tho? A player with good lateral agility? Like Marchand, Grzelyck, Pasta, Bjork?

Players that can make plays with each other I guess. Work the give and go, cycle the puck. Use creativity in the O zone.

 

[TaroTsujimoto]

“Obviously it took a couple games, but, you know, today all we needed to do was drive to the net with [David Krejci]. He’s a great playmaker. It’s been fun tonight,” said Pastrnak, who was then asked if Krejci is a “pass-first” kind of player. “[Krejci] is a pass-first player, pass-second player, [pass] third, and then he shoots type of player.
“Bergy and Marchy like to play fast, and Krech likes to slow it down sometimes, you know, and it’s...both of [those styles] work, you know? Some nights it works better if you play fast and some nights it works better if you play slower. It’s just two star players and it’s been fun tonight, and obviously, it was a big game.”

 

[LSCII]

I disagree. I find he is a very good two way centre. When he isn’t scoring he Is still effective.

Is he being paid to be a "good two way center" or to facilitate goal scoring?

 

[Glove Malfunction]

These are myths created by the DK can do no wrong crowd. Most people here weren't saying he was washed up. They were saying he's a different player when motivated. Hardly a hot take and hardly controversial. In fact, it's accurate. When he's engaged and moving his feet, he's a really good player. When he's disinterested, you don't even notice him out there. Rather than trying to point fingers, why not simply enjoy the run he's on with Marchand and Pasta for now?

Sorry Lonnie, this is as dumb a take as the pro-Tuukka/anti-Tuukka ones. no one says Krejci can do no wrong. But because you have such a hair across your ass for the guy, you see anyone who defends him against any criticism (some warranted, some beyond the pale) as saying he can do no wrong. That exposes your bias against the guy.

 

[Glove Malfunction]

I also think it's a dumb take to say Krejci sometimes isn't motivated. As if anyone on an internet message board is inside the guy's head.

 

[KrejciMVP]

Takes two head shots where he gets his teeth knocked out and comes back to play incredible hockey when given great line mates like the old days. Guy is a warrior.

 

[LSCII]

sorry, but thats more of the dirt dog boston bullsh*t.

if a player isnt making a mean face, then he clearly isnt trying. heaven forbid a guy is stoic/even keel and doesnt show ups or downs. and just because a guy makes the right faces, doesnt mean he's giving full effort all the time either.

FYI, everyone has "invisible streaks" difference is Bergeron gets excuses made for him (linemates, must be injured, etc) whereas Krejci gets crucified for it

See, I think DK has more ups and downs than the other key players on the team, and more importantly, when he's having one of his down streaks, the pro DK crowd won't let anyone have anything close to a reasonable conversation about it. Instead, you continually get Bergeron this and Bergeron that. Or Chara has played poorly too. Or Marchand isn't scoring too. It's this constant need to defend the guy that makes it so polarizing and infuriating.

For example, he's got 4 goals this year. Is that an honestly acceptable total for him? At one point he was on pace to score 8 goals for the season, but with his goal a couple games ago, it jumped to 10. And even then, is 10 acceptable given his actual skill level? I get that he's doing fine assist wise, but he should be a mortal lock for 20 goals a year easy. But instead of taking that valid criticism and admitting it's accurate, the pro DK crowd will dismiss it and point at other players that aren't performing, as if it justifies the sub par totals by DK and invalidates the criticism. It doesn't. And that's why he gets more shit than Bergeron. Because the pro DK crowd tries to drown it out instead of just acknowledging it.

 

[Mainehockey33]

See, I think DK has more ups and downs than the other key players on the team, and more importantly, when he's having one of his down streaks, the pro DK crowd won't let anyone have anything close to a reasonable conversation about it. Instead, you continually get Bergeron this and Bergeron that. Or Chara has played poorly too. Or Marchand isn't scoring too. It's this constant need to defend the guy that makes it so polarizing and infuriating.

For example, he's got 4 goals this year. Is that an honestly acceptable total for him? At one point he was on pace to score 8 goals for the season, but with his goal a couple games ago, it jumped to 10. And even then, is 10 acceptable given his actual skill level? I get that he's doing fine assist wise, but he should be a mortal lock for 20 goals a year easy. But instead of taking that valid criticism and admitting it's accurate, the pro DK crowd will dismiss it and point at other players that aren't performing, as if it justifies the sub par totals by DK and invalidates the criticism. It doesn't. And that's why he gets more **** than Bergeron. Because the pro DK crowd tries to drown it out instead of just acknowledging it.

Ok, now I know you have it out for him if you’re complaining about his goal totals this year

 

[LSCII]

I also think it's a dumb take to say Krejci sometimes isn't motivated. As if anyone on an internet message board is inside the guy's head.

Then blame DK himself for it.

“It’s exciting — you’re playing for something you dream about when you’re a kid, and we’re pretty close right now to the finals,” says Krejci, in his very reasonable voice. “It’s definitely fun, it’s exciting, and it’s worth fighting for.”

“And we often say that when there’s 82 games in the season, there’s guys that get bored with it. And I know it’s not what people want to hear, but when I say ‘get bored,’ it’s like, trying to get up for 82 games is maybe unrealistic, but … playoff hockey goes up a notch from regular season. Well, that’s because things mean a lot more, and that’s just the natural thing in players’ minds.”

“I think it’s his whole game,” Bruins coach Claude Julien said. “He makes plays. He shoots more. I think it’s one of those guys that really loves the playoffs, and loves the intensity and excitement that comes with it, and really gets up for those.

Those quotes are why he gets that label, fair or not.

 

[LSCII]

Ok, now I know you have it out for him if you’re complaining about his goal totals this year

In fairness to me, I was here last week complaining that his production overall wasn't good enough, along with Marchand and Pasta's since Bergeron's injury. I was saying your best players need to step up and be their best players by picking up the slack. And DK over the last week has. Full credit to him. Marchand is also starting to light the lamp which is great given he's been off his usual goal scoring all season long. Pasta had a dip but is also back on track.

And yes, goals do matter and DK does need to score some. Especially given this team has struggled to score more than 2 goals a night for a while now, last night and the last game against Toronto aside.

 

[Mainehockey33]

In fairness to me, I was here last week complaining that his production overall wasn't good enough, along with Marchand and Pasta's since Bergeron's injury. I was saying your best players need to step up and be their best players by picking up the slack. And DK over the last week has. Full credit to him. Marchand is also starting to light the lamp which is great given he's been off his usual goal scoring all season long. Pasta had a dip but is also back on track.

And yes, goals do matter and DK does need to score some. Especially given this team has struggled to score more than 2 goals a night for a while now, last night and the last game against Toronto aside.

He’s always been a pass first center. He’s clicking with Marchand and Pastrnak now that Cassidy finally put them together. By shit luck he missed a goal last night off a weird bounce that went off the post. As long as he’s playing this good and setting guys up I don’t care how many goals he scores. It just sounds like you’re trying to find anything to discredit him. He’s on pace for almost 80 points, I don’t care how many goals are in there, he’s a playmaker.

 

[LSCII]

He’s always been a pass first center. He’s clicking with Marchand and Pastrnak now that Cassidy finally put them together. By **** luck he missed a goal last night off a weird bounce that went off the post. As long as he’s playing this good and setting guys up I don’t care how many goals he scores. It just sounds like you’re trying to find anything to discredit him. He’s on pace for almost 80 points, I don’t care how many goals are in there, he’s a playmaker.

No, I'm not discrediting anything. I've given him full credit for his assist totals plenty of times here. But given the team is struggling to score, he needs to contribute more than he has because he has the ability and skills to do so. I also didn't single him out. I lumped him in with Pasta and Marchand about the goals since all three could contribute more.

So like I said earlier, your response falls under the territory of even valid criticisms about him can't be discussed without the pro DK crowd getting defensive and using misdirection.

As I said a few posts ago, my favorite player is Marchand. But even though he's my favorite, I can say that he hasn't been playing up to his own standards this year. His scoring has been off and the team needs him to do a better job of scoring goals consistently. I also think he's gotten to infatuated with his dipsy do moves and is trying to skate through too many guys when passing it to the open guy is a smarter play. I can say that without needing to throw up excuses because I can be critical and honest about it.

Yet people here can't even say that DK going 18 games between goals was bad. He didn't score a f***ing goal for the entire month of October ffs, yet people can't say that was unacceptable for some reason. And when you point that out, you get called a hater or being agenda driven. In reality, there is no agenda. Just looking for the team to win and the team needs DK to be a huge part of that since he's so important to the team.