David Desharnais part X - Together We Rise, Together We Fall

[Justin11]

ALEKSANDER BARKOV 6'3" 215 lbs
NICK BJUGSTAD 6'6" 220 lbs.
DAVE BOLLAND 6'0" 185 lbs

Why would Dale Tallon want little Davey, exactly??

I wish he was an actual insider but this is just wishful thinking.

Maybe Flynn thinks that Gallant liked him when he was in MTL?

 

[habitue*]

Maybe Flynn thinks that Gallant liked him when he was in MTL?

Bolland is injured and the kid is stuggling badly this season. That is why.

 

[G0bias]

...I have nothing against make him play "some" PP#2. ... And in both cases, it's recognizing that you need to get rid of DD. Therrien isn't there yet.....I'm not there yet either. I want to see what he could do on a 3rd line at C. And then, I want to see what he could while being moved to the wings. And then we'll talk about him leaving. It will come....but not yet.

As of right now Pacioretty,Chucky, Plekanec are locks for PP time. Then you have Gallagher, Sekac, Eller also deserving some pp TOI. Finally you have Andrighetto who is showing good things offensively, Parenteau and DD.

Has Desharnais' play and numbers warrant PP time over those first 6 guys? You could make a case he's a better option than Parenteau and Andrighetto but he'd still be on the outside looking in.

If Eller picks up where he left off, and Sekac and Ghetto continue their strong play, they won't give MT a choice but to play them and he will soon see he has better options at his disposal.

 

[Justin11]

Bolland is injured and the kid is stuggling badly this season. That is why.

I realize this, but there is 2 years remaining after this season on DD's contract.

 

[Smokey Thompson]

As of right now Pacioretty,Chucky, Plekanec are locks for PP time. Then you have Gallagher, Sekac, Eller also deserving some pp TOI. Finally you have Andrighetto who is showing good things offensively, Parenteau and DD.

Has Desharnais' play and numbers warrant PP time over those first 6 guys? You could make a case he's a better option than Parenteau and Andrighetto but he'd still be on the outside looking in.

If Eller picks up where he left off, and Sekac and Ghetto continue their strong play, they won't give MT a choice but to play them and he will soon see he has better options at his disposal.

I agree and theoretically you are correct. But as long as Desharnais is in the lineup, Therrien will use him as some sort of "PP Specialist", even though he's clearly a hindrance on the pp.

 

[Natey]

As of right now Pacioretty,Chucky, Plekanec are locks for PP time. Then you have Gallagher, Sekac, Eller also deserving some pp TOI. Finally you have Andrighetto who is showing good things offensively, Parenteau and DD.

Has Desharnais' play and numbers warrant PP time over those first 6 guys? You could make a case he's a better option than Parenteau and Andrighetto but he'd still be on the outside looking in.

If Eller picks up where he left off, and Sekac and Ghetto continue their strong play, they won't give MT a choice but to play them and he will soon see he has better options at his disposal.

Does anyone on our team really deserve powerplay time?

In order from most to least productive;

Eller: 5:57 minutes per point, 5:57 minutes, 1 points
Sekac: 6:20 minutes per point, 12.75 minutes, 2 points
Beaulieu: 9:12 minutes per point, 9:12 minutes, 1 points
Plekanec: 14:20 minutes per point: 57.25 minutes, 4 points.
Galchenyuk: 14:30 minutes per point: 58 minutes, 4 points.
Markov: 15 minutes per point. 90 minutes, 6 points.
Desharnais: 17:10 minutes per point. 68.5 minutes, 4 points.
Parenteau: 21 minutes per point, 63.3 minutes, 3 points.
Pacioretty: 24:10 minutes per point, 72.5 minutes, 3 points.
Gallagher: 31 minutes per point, 62 minutes, 2 points
Subban: 33:25 minutes per point, 100 minutes, 3 points.
Andrighetto: infinity minutes per point, 3:38 minutes, 0 points
Gonchar: infinity minutes per point, 30:28 minutes, 0 points
Gilbert: infinity minutes per point, 31:12 minutes, 0 points

Not adding anyone else with 0 points as they average under 20 seconds per game.

So really... who is working on our powerplay? Desharnais gets a lot of hate, but he's actually our 3rd best regular forward producer on the PP so far. Subban's production has been an absolute joking considering our PP 90% of the time has run TO him. From those stats, you can remove Desharnais all you want - but until someone fixes something with our system... it's not going to change much.

 

[Natey]

I agree and theoretically you are correct. But as long as Desharnais is in the lineup, Therrien will use him as some sort of "PP Specialist", even though he's clearly a hindrance on the pp.

Everyone has been an hindrance on our our Powerplay.

The only player who ACTUALLY tries anything new is Galchenyuk (and now Andrighetto).

Honestly, those are the two most creative forwards on our team. I'd have Galchenyuk on unit #1 and Andrighetto on Unit #2.

I'd have Gallagher passing through the front of the net on one unit, and probably Sekac on the other unit.

Pacioretty and Subban would be on opposite units as "the shot."

Markov would obviously be on unit #1 and I'd use Beaulieu on unit #2.

Then I'd use Desharnais, Plekanec, Parenteau, or Eller as the 5th man on either unit, depending on who is having a better game and/or who is fresh.

I'd use a 1-2-2 type formation.

Markov and Beaulieu would be at the Top.

Subban and Pacioretty would be one-time options. Obviously they'd be on different sides of their units.

Andrighetto and Galchenyuk would be on opposite sides of them.

Down low, in the slot I'd have Sekac and Gallagher.

Then I'd have the Plekanec, Desharnais, Eller, or Parenteau group down low off to the side to hit either a backdoor pass, to pass up, or to hit Gallagher/Sekac in the slot.

 

[number 11]

Man that Flynn segment on Marinaro

Basically says if DD doesn't play with Patch on the top line, he's not an NHL player.

Owell, you don't belong in the nhl then.

 

[G0bias]

apparently the current top 2 lines were practising the powerplay during yesterday's practice per Marinaro.
Pacioretty-Chucky-Gallagher followed by Andrighetto-Plek-Sekac as the second wave.
So MT is already thinking of other options.

 

[hf27]

I agree and theoretically you are correct. But as long as Desharnais is in the lineup, Therrien will use him as some sort of "PP Specialist", even though he's clearly a hindrance on the pp.

the opponents don't see it that way.

 

[Milhouse40]

ALEKSANDER BARKOV 6'3" 215 lbs
NICK BJUGSTAD 6'6" 220 lbs.
DAVE BOLLAND 6'0" 185 lbs

Why would Dale Tallon want little Davey, exactly??

I wish he was an actual insider but this is just wishful thinking.

Barkov turned 19 last september.....they lack of a top talent on the wing.
Wouldn't be a bad idea to used him as we did with Galchenyuk for a year or two.

 

[Kriss E]

apparently the current top 2 lines were practising the powerplay during yesterday's practice per Marinaro.
Pacioretty-Chucky-Gallagher followed by Andrighetto-Plek-Sekac as the second wave.
So MT is already thinking of other options.

DD was also practicing with Parenteau and had Pacioretty on his wing again. They were supposedly the 3rd unit though.

 

[TheViperOne]

One of the best things that galchenyuk brings to that line over DD is the shooting threat on an odd man rush.

Everyone and their dog knows that when DD brings the puck up the ice on an odd man rush he was going to force it to patches every time - and he never disappointed.

Galchenyuk will at least make the defense and goalie THINK about a shot as he can rip those wristers with his nasty release.

 

[habsfanatics*]

DD was also practicing with Parenteau and had Pacioretty on his wing again. They were supposedly the 3rd unit though.

When? You've got to be freaking kidding me?

OH PP, nevermind, I don't find patches to be very effective on the PP, but still an odd move.

I'm not sure why all of the sudden because we DD is off the top line we need to divide PP time in 3, no such opportunity was ever given to Eller. Sometimes MT annoys me too.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

When? You've got to be freaking kidding me?

OH PP, nevermind, I don't find patches to be very effective on the PP, but still an odd move.

I'm not sure why all of the sudden because we DD is off the top line we need to divide PP time in 3, no such opportunity was ever given to Eller. Sometimes MT annoys me too.

He is used wrong imo. Sometimes he is like the PPQB controlling the puck and feeding the plays.

Makes no sense as he has average passing and vision.

With his size he needs to be parked in front or with his shot, the triggerman

 

[Kriss E]

When? You've got to be freaking kidding me?

OH PP, nevermind, I don't find patches to be very effective on the PP, but still an odd move.

I'm not sure why all of the sudden because we DD is off the top line we need to divide PP time in 3, no such opportunity was ever given to Eller. Sometimes MT annoys me too.

Ya, makes even lesser sense when we know DD is a pretty mediocre PP producer. We also know that Max-DD-PAP didn't work on the PP so not sure why they're back to being a unit, even as a 3rd one.

 

[Milhouse40]

Ya, makes even lesser sense when we know DD is a pretty mediocre PP producer. We also know that Max-DD-PAP didn't work on the PP so not sure why they're back to being a unit, even as a 3rd one.

Funny....never heard of a third unit with Eller centering the third line.

 

[Skip Bayless]

RDS mad at Desharnais for saying that he's gotta find a new role

http://www.rds.ca/vidéos/desharnais-une-phrase-de-trop-3.1109911

 

[Hoople]

Does anyone on our team really deserve powerplay time?

In order from most to least productive;

Eller: 5:57 minutes per point, 5:57 minutes, 1 points
Sekac: 6:20 minutes per point, 12.75 minutes, 2 points
Beaulieu: 9:12 minutes per point, 9:12 minutes, 1 points
Plekanec: 14:20 minutes per point: 57.25 minutes, 4 points.
Galchenyuk: 14:30 minutes per point: 58 minutes, 4 points.
Markov: 15 minutes per point. 90 minutes, 6 points.
Desharnais: 17:10 minutes per point. 68.5 minutes, 4 points.
Parenteau: 21 minutes per point, 63.3 minutes, 3 points.
Pacioretty: 24:10 minutes per point, 72.5 minutes, 3 points.
Gallagher: 31 minutes per point, 62 minutes, 2 points
Subban: 33:25 minutes per point, 100 minutes, 3 points.
Andrighetto: infinity minutes per point, 3:38 minutes, 0 points
Gonchar: infinity minutes per point, 30:28 minutes, 0 points
Gilbert: infinity minutes per point, 31:12 minutes, 0 points

Not adding anyone else with 0 points as they average under 20 seconds per game.

So really... who is working on our powerplay? Desharnais gets a lot of hate, but he's actually our 3rd best regular forward producer on the PP so far. Subban's production has been an absolute joking considering our PP 90% of the time has run TO him. From those stats, you can remove Desharnais all you want - but until someone fixes something with our system... it's not going to change much.

If this board really were concerned about the performance of players, there should be as many PK Subban threads as David Desharnais threads, if not more.

The entire PP is scripted for PK and he is not delivering. But.....

 

[Habs Junkie]

RDS mad at Desharnais for saying that he's gotta find a new role

http://www.rds.ca/vidéos/desharnais-une-phrase-de-trop-3.1109911

To add to this: he said he can helpA team succeed. They were saying that the coach should be really pissed off at those comments

 

[Jigger77]

If this board really were concerned about the performance of players, there should be as many PK Subban threads as David Desharnais threads, if not more.

The entire PP is scripted for PK and he is not delivering. But.....

This might not be super popular, but personally I think Pacioretty is one of the problems with the PP. He has a stupid shot, he should be watching what Stamkos does and be that right side one timer option. To me he's trying to be the guy in deep moving pucks too much and not focusing enough on getting that shot through. And he's not the best stickhandler in tight. The strength of this PP should be those two shot options (PK on the left and Patches on the right).

The main issue though is just execution. The passes aren't sharp a lot of the times. Not only on the PP but also passes on the breakout with no pressure sometimes are 5 feet ahead of the guy, which is why you see so many icings. I'd like to see more urgency and sharpness in their passes in general. Would help out the PP by default.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

If this board really were concerned about the performance of players, there should be as many PK Subban threads as David Desharnais threads, if not more.

The entire PP is scripted for PK and he is not delivering. But.....

...Subban's still scoring, Top 10 in scoring for defensemen, making plays, and has been a stud defensively...where's li'l Davey in #1 Centre scoring for the League??...and that's all he can do...hence the reason he lost (hopefully permanently) his job...so...

 

[peate]

RDS mad at Desharnais for saying that he's gotta find a new role

http://www.rds.ca/vidéos/desharnais-une-phrase-de-trop-3.1109911

Y ress une chose, that has Gaston Therrien written all over it. The guy is clueless.

 

[Jigger77]

Y ress une chose, that has Gaston Therrien written all over it. The guy is clueless.

Unless he's bashing Desharnais, of course.

 

[Skip Bayless]

...Subban's still scoring, Top 10 in scoring for defensemen, making plays, and has been a stud defensively...where's li'l Davey in #1 Centre scoring for the League??...and that's all he can do...hence the reason he lost (hopefully permanently) his job...so...

I'm convinced that some people in this board don't watch the games or don't understand the game.