Daniel Sprong Containment Thread Part 3 | Mod Warning Post #1

[Ryder71]

Racchis rug VS the Sprong saga, which threads are more epic? Sprongs inching closer.

 

[helsinkipenguin]

Sprong 1+1 in 1st period vs Devils.

 

[Vujtek]

Henrique, Getzlaf, Ritchie etc are not 4th liners.

Also a side note if you really want to know...

Garrett Wilson and Derek Grant now has a higher p/60 5v5 than Daniel Sprong.

Grant - 1.55 (in Pittsburgh)
Wilson - 1.40
Sprong - 1.28 (in Anaheim)

During Sprong's time in Anaheim:

Getzlaf 1.45
Henrique 0.99
Silfverberg 0.85

With his 5v5 goal today I think Sprong will jump ahead of Getzlaf (if he goes pointless on 5v5).

 

[DegenX]

This is going to be my final warning in this thread. A number of you seem to like to point fingers and laugh, yet don't seem to realize that you are the ones keeping the conversation going. I'm out of patience. Perhaps you will find it less amusing when you receive infractions and thread bans.

**Mod Warning**
This is a containment thread. It is a thread for those who wish to continue to debate all things related to Sprong's time as a Pen, his current performance with the Ducks, his potential, the impact of the trade and anything else related to Daniel Sprong. If the topic annoys you, put the thread on ignore.

If you are only posting to call out other people for still discussing the topic, don't. If you are only posting to troll, don't. If you are not joining in to discuss the subject in good faith then don't join in. Put the thread on ignore.

If you want to talk about Pettersson, do so in the Pettersson thread.

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[Ryder71]

Sprong I believe has 11 points including seven goals in 20 games with the Ducks. Considering how that team collectively has struggled to manufacture goals. I think those numbers are very respectable.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Sprong I believe has 11 points including seven goals in 20 games with the Ducks. Considering how that team collectively has struggled to manufacture goals. I think those numbers are very respectable.

In an of themselves, sure. But when you playing a top 6 role and only have 6 5v5 points thats 4th line material.

So if you need top 6 minutes to produce 4th liner production and are a liability when not scoring, what the point.

I guess you could bury him on the 4th line, hope he doesnt hurt you and let him work the power play but otherwise, yeesh.

 

[Ogrezilla]

In an of themselves, sure. But when you playing a top 6 role and only have 6 5v5 points thats 4th line material.

So if you need top 6 minutes to produce 4th liner production and are a liability when not scoring, what the point.

I guess you could bury him on the 4th line, hope he doesnt hurt you and let him work the power play but otherwise, yeesh.

I'll be curious to see what happens if he gets put back in the top 6 after the rest of the top 6 guys start breaking out of their collective slump.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

I'll be curious to see what happens if he gets put back in the top 6 after the rest of the top 6 guys start breaking out of their collective slump.

I think his general lack of knowing what to do is part of why their in their slump. Not all of it of course but a contributing factor.

 

[Ryder71]

In an of themselves, sure. But when you playing a top 6 role and only have 6 5v5 points thats 4th line material.

So if you need top 6 minutes to produce 4th liner production and are a liability when not scoring, what the point.

I guess you could bury him on the 4th line, hope he doesnt hurt you and let him work the power play but otherwise, yeesh.

I'm not married to 5v5 stats though. If that's the metric you use as the main variable in your assessment of how much a player contributes, so be it. But for a top six/top nine complimentary winger such as Sprong, I take a much broader approach. In the games I've seen he's as visible as any ducks player since the trade offensively. I've also seen him do a better job in his back checking duties and getting back to be in better position (in general) in the D zone. He still has a ways to go but in the time I've seen him, as well as what most ducks fans I've seen have stated, he's doing well for them.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I'm not married to 5v5 stats though. If that's the metric you use as the main variable in your assessment of how much a player contributes, so be it. But for a top six/top nine complimentary winger such as Sprong, I take a much broader approach. In the games I've seen he's as visible as any ducks player since the trade offensively. I've also seen him do a better job in his back checking duties and getting back to be in better position (in general) in the D zone. He still has a ways to go but in the time I've seen him, as well as what most ducks fans I've seen have stated, he's doing well for them.

I still think this trade could be a win for both teams.

 

[Ryder71]

I still think this trade could be a win for both teams.

Agreed, again I preface it by saying it's still early in the process, but currently I don't see many from either side being disappointed in their respective return.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

I'm not married to 5v5 stats though. If that's the metric you use as the main variable in your assessment of how much a player contributes, so be it. But for a top six/top nine complimentary winger such as Sprong, I take a much broader approach. In the games I've seen he's as visible as any ducks player since the trade offensively. I've also seen him do a better job in his back checking duties and getting back to be in better position (in general) in the D zone. He still has a ways to go but in the time I've seen him, as well as what most ducks fans I've seen have stated, he's doing well for them.

When your an offensive only player and the discussion is about "is guy a top Xer". Yes 5c5 scoring is going to be a big deal.

To be a top 6er you need to either A produce or be an all around guy like Rust etc.

Sprong, at this moment, is neither. Hes a PP specialist that is a detriment at all other times.

Plenty of time for that to change though.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I think switching the focus to now only judging Sprong on 5on5 production seems disingenuous.

It's one thing to say there's nothing special about his overall production. It's another (and reeks of an agenda) to discount anything he's done on the PP and only focus on 5on5.

Frankly, I don't care if a player scores 30 goals, but 20 of them are on the PP, as long as at the end of the year he scores 30 goals. I wouldn't put an asterisk beside him and say he's really only producing like a 10 goal 4th liner because he doesn't contribute much at even strength.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think switching the focus to now only judging Sprong on 5on5 production seems disingenuous.

It's one thing to say there's nothing special about his overall production. It's another (and reeks of an agenda) to discount anything he's done on the PP and only focus on 5on5.

Frankly, I don't care if a player scores 30 goals, but 20 of them are on the PP, as long as at the end of the year he scores 30 goals. I wouldn't put an asterisk beside him and say he's really only producing like a 10 goal 4th liner because he doesn't contribute much at even strength.

If someone is trying to say Sprong is unsuccessful in Anaheim I agree.

If someone is trying to point out why we made a mistake because of his production, I disagree 100%.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think switching the focus to now only judging Sprong on 5on5 production seems disingenuous.

It's one thing to say there's nothing special about his overall production. It's another (and reeks of an agenda) to discount anything he's done on the PP and only focus on 5on5.

Frankly, I don't care if a player scores 30 goals, but 20 of them are on the PP, as long as at the end of the year he scores 30 goals. I wouldn't put an asterisk beside him and say he's really only producing like a 10 goal 4th liner because he doesn't contribute much at even strength.

If someone is trying to say Sprong is unsuccessful in Anaheim I agree.

If someone is trying to point out why we made a mistake because of his production, I disagree 100%.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

I think switching the focus to now only judging Sprong on 5on5 production seems disingenuous.

It's one thing to say there's nothing special about his overall production. It's another (and reeks of an agenda) to discount anything he's done on the PP and only focus on 5on5.

Frankly, I don't care if a player scores 30 goals, but 20 of them are on the PP, as long as at the end of the year he scores 30 goals. I wouldn't put an asterisk beside him and say he's really only producing like a 10 goal 4th liner because he doesn't contribute much at even strength.

Being a PP specialist is one thing. Being a PP specialist dragging down the 2nd line is another.

Calling that guy a good top 6er is yet another.

I mean id be all for, for example, if ZAR was a 4th liner that produced on the PP at a good level.

Im just not shoe horning him one the 2nd line if hes gonna score at the same rate as a plug there.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

If someone is trying to say Sprong is unsuccessful in Anaheim I agree.

If someone is trying to point out why we made a mistake because of his production, I disagree 100%.

I'm talking about the first paragraph. There seems to be a whole lot of micro-analyzing and breaking down of Sprong's stats into what should or shouldn't be included in evaluating how he's producing.

It seems like after every single Anaheim game, there's dismissal of his production if any of it came on the PP. At some point, all that matters is if the player -- whether it be Sprong in particular, or any player in general -- is producing.

I haven't really commented much on the subject because I'm very happy with how Pettersson has performed. I don't think the Pens "lost" the trade with how he's shored up his pairing. But I just think it's getting to ridiculous levels when even when Sprong produces, it's dismissed unless it comes at 5on5.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm talking about the first paragraph. There seems to be a whole lot of micro-analyzing and breaking down of Sprong's stats into what should or shouldn't be included in evaluating how he's producing.

It seems like after every single Anaheim game, there's dismissal of his production if any of it came on the PP. At some point, all that matters is if the player -- whether it be Sprong in particular, or any player in general -- is producing.

I haven't really commented much on the subject because I'm very happy with how Pettersson has performed. I don't think the Pens "lost" the trade with how he's shored up his pairing. But I just think it's getting to ridiculous levels when even when Sprong produces, it's dismissed unless it comes at 5on5.

Once again. That is because he wouldn’t have those opportunities here. We are judging him on his 5v5 production because people continue to try to act like it was a mistake we rode with Rust, Hornqvist, and Kessel.

 

[Ryder71]

Once again. That is because he wouldn’t have those opportunities here. We are judging him on his 5v5 production because people continue to try to act like it was a mistake we rode with Rust, Hornqvist, and Kessel.

And that was my biggest issue with our coach. He never afforded him a legitimate shot with Geno to try and see what we had there. Rust struggled and Horny missed a lot of time, yet not even a look.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

And that was my biggest issue with our coach. He never afforded him a legitimate shot with Geno to try and see what we had there. Rust struggled and Horny missed a lot of time, yet not even a look.

He didnt deserve a look there. And unless hes gonna score 50 5v5 points there he is a lesser option than every other RW option by a long shot.

 

[Ryder71]

He didnt deserve a look there. And unless hes gonna score 50 5v5 points there he is a lesser option than every other RW option by a long shot.

Again that's a metric you like, it's not one I'm beholden to. If he were utilized properly he would have been given a look with Geno and 2hd unit PP duty. I believe he received time on the 2hd unit initially. If your whole argument is predicated on 5v5 production we'll continually be on different pages here. I look at total production.

 

[Gurglesons]

Again that's a metric you like, it's not one I'm beholden to. If he were utilized properly he would have been given a look with Geno and 2hd unit PP duty. I believe he received time on the 2hd unit initially. If your whole argument is predicated on 5v5 production we'll continually be on different pages here. I look at total production.

Last time I checked I believe he led all bottom six wingers in PP time in his tenure here this year.

 

[Ryder71]

Last time I checked I believe he led all bottom six wingers in PP time in his tenure here this year.

What was his production?

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Again that's a metric you like, it's not one I'm beholden to. If he were utilized properly he would have been given a look with Geno and 2hd unit PP duty. I believe he received time on the 2hd unit initially. If your whole argument is predicated on 5v5 production we'll continually be on different pages here. I look at total production.

He can get PP points without needing to be moved drom the 4th line.

So if thw question is "should he be top 6" or "tried top 6". The only relevant metric is 5v5. And considering Rust is your 3rd best RW and he is a 40+ point winger ghat is good on both ends of the ice. He would have to out produce him by a good margin to not be our 4th possibly 5th best RWer.

 

[Gurglesons]

What was his production?

Not good. I don’t understand why we have to have this circular argument.

Sidney was asking why people brought up 5v5 production. It is because people want to try and build a case around him being able to produce like he has in Anaheim here.