Well since you asked, I looked it up.
35 points in 37 games.
Subtract the 8 from 4 games against the Oilers.
27 in 33. 67 point pace. Nothing can really be drawn from that though. Offensive players score against weak teams all the time.
Daniel Sedin - 5 ESG - $7 MILLION
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Well since you asked, I looked it up.
35 points in 37 games.
Subtract the 8 from 4 games against the Oilers.
27 in 33. 67 point pace. Nothing can really be drawn from that though. Offensive players score against weak teams all the time.
His goal scoring touch was elbowed out of him. 35g+ average turned sub 20 goal scorer overnight.
Great players scoring against bad teams shouldn't be allowed to count in there stats. It's not fair.
Crosby and Giroux etc don't score against bad teams.
In fact there are no bad teams in the East!
In fact there are no bad teams in the East!
Daniel Sedin has 5 out of 8 goals at even strength, should we make a thread for all players who get most of their goals on the PP?
Claude Giroux (6 of 13 goals scored at even strength)
David Backes (3 of 9 goals scored at even strength)
Anze Kopitar (4 of goals scored at even strength)
Marian Hossa (5 of 8 goals scored at even strength)
Patrick Marleau (4 of 7 goals scored at even strength)
Thomas Vanek (4 of 8 goals scored at even strength)
Johan Franzen (3 of 7 goals scored at even strength)
Patrick Sharp (1 of 7 goals scored at even strength)
All of those players have put up big numbers in the NHL prior, where's the outrage about them.
The OP was wrong to suggest that Daniel Sedin only has 2 even strength goals and as you can see above, many other players have put up similar numbers to Daniel at even strength. This has just regressed into a thread saying that Daniel has become more of a playmaker (and his point total reflects that) now that Vrbata is on the line, people with the belief that Keith's elbow that caused Daniel to suffer from a concussion hastened his decline and Chicago fans saying that Keith's elbow had no effect on him.
Claude Giroux (6 of 13 goals scored at even strength)
David Backes (3 of 9 goals scored at even strength)
Anze Kopitar (4 of goals scored at even strength)
Marian Hossa (5 of 8 goals scored at even strength)
Patrick Marleau (4 of 7 goals scored at even strength)
Thomas Vanek (4 of 8 goals scored at even strength)
Johan Franzen (3 of 7 goals scored at even strength)
Patrick Sharp (1 of 7 goals scored at even strength)
All of those players have put up big numbers in the NHL prior, where's the outrage about them.
The OP was wrong to suggest that Daniel Sedin only has 2 even strength goals and as you can see above, many other players have put up similar numbers to Daniel at even strength. This has just regressed into a thread saying that Daniel has become more of a playmaker (and his point total reflects that) now that Vrbata is on the line, people with the belief that Keith's elbow that caused Daniel to suffer from a concussion hastened his decline and Chicago fans saying that Keith's elbow had no effect on him.
The numbers speak for themselves and watching the twins play it's clear that Henrik is the better player, Daniel is no longer a sniper and without the chemistry of his brother and the sniping skills of Vrbata he would be exposed.
No doubt another poor playoff performance would be blamed on the lack of support scoring or something like that eh?
The Sedins are what they have been for a while, much better fantasy hockey guys than NHL players. (for example they after last night's game are the 18,19th best in points but is anyone taking Daniel as a top 20 forward in a one year only league, to aviod any problems with age, if they were starting a real NHL team?
The answer would be a resounding no.
they still have their utility, heck someone needs to play 1st line MPG in Vancouver with little to no elite prospect forward depth on the team but man it could get ugly really fast too.
Captain Bowie
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Can you at least keep your Sedin hate drivel to the Canucks board? You are embarrassing us out here.
Epsilon
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This is kind of ironic coming from someone who's defended Keith Tkachuk in historical discussion threads.
Sedins seem to be given too MUCH credit when they are dominating and too LITTLE credit when they are playing well and not dominating. With that said they are both still fantastic players and will cycle you to death.
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There is a rule out there that nothing the Canucks do against the Oilers counts towards anything. We saw it when they won the Presidents trophy too... only won because they feasted on the Oilers.
Why is it when someone disagrees it becomes hate here?
Or do you think that Daniel has looked better than Hank this year?
Or that Daniel hasn't lost his goal scoring touch?
Would you really take Daniel in the top 20 of all forwards in the NHL in a 1 year only league?
Agree to disagree but leave the name calling at home please.
Captain Bowie
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Funny that none of the above was really what I took issue with.
It was more this:
Suggesting that they are poor in the playoffs yet escape criticism for it. Even though they've been at or very close to a PPG in every playoff season since 2007 (Daniel - 47/53, Henrik - 56/56).
Or this:
Suggesting they collect points but add nothing else to the game of hockey. Even though they are positive possession players, at worst neutral defensively, kill penalties, are great leaders and role models for younger players, ect.....
Or this:
Suggesting that they are only first line players by default (and throwing an extra shot at the organization all together, despite having the best prospect pool in years with high upside guys with Virtanen and Shinkaruk). Even though they have scored well above the average first line production (about 60 points) for 8 consecutive years until last year, which was a trainwreck write-off season in every way.
No, it's not disagreeing with an opinion. It's you just being wrong but continuing to spew nonsense. All I ask is keep it on the Canucks board.
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A real shame too. I still think five games for Keith was too light, that was one of the most transparent attempts to straight up injure a player I'd ever seen.
Okay you are adding stuff I didn't say and/or exaggerating it.
If you wanted more information from what I said ask, instead of assuming.
Why only since 07?
Well because they were insignificant before then even as role players?
Or that Daniel is a -11 playoff performer in his career, including that -9 in the Canucks SC run, were if Dave Bolland had been healthy might not have happened either.
So by saying that they are better fantasy players than NHL players I suggested all of of this....really?
We will agree to disagree here.
The Canucks have failed to develop replacements for them yes and they would be better served, and remembered , if they were allowed to take a lesser role on the team, they have lead the Canucks to what exactly in the post season?
You look like you are disagreeing with the straw man you presented, the Sedins have utility, they have since their surprising breakout in the 05-06 season but they also have things missing from their resumes and Daniel isn't Hank either.
Hopefully for the Canucks, with their lack of top line depth, they don't lose hank for any period of time but if they do Daniel wouldn't do well.
Most of us have seen that this season, one Sedin has clearly slipped in his role.
It's kind of like the Crosby/Malkin thing they both look very similar in value but most people know which is the better and more important player.
Addison Rae
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Henrik Sedin is a great two-way centre, please how about you actually look at the facts presented instead of pushing your biased and tainted propaganda. First of all the Sedins have been playing against elite competition for 3 years now, in that span they've had corsi% of nearly 60% and GF% of nearly 60%. So they not only dominate possession, but they constantly outscore their opposition.
I'm taking objective information over your opinion (especially yours) come back with an argument that can actually accurately debunk what I'm saying, if not you're just wasting everyone's time.
Also, what the hell did I just read? What does possession stats have to do with fantasy, seriously what in gods name are you going on about
As for the +/- stat hilarious that you completely ignore what they have done in the regular season, it obviously has value to you because you mentioned it and it seems you use it as a tracker of defensive play now tell us how many times Henrik Sedin been a minus player in the league, the answer is one time. I for one think it's a garbage stat but it's really funny seeing you only half assingly using it, and cherry picking your arguments. I've had debates with you over the Sedins a countless amount of times, and it seems like you haven't changed.
I'm taking objective information over your opinion (especially yours) come back with an argument that can actually accurately debunk what I'm saying, if not you're just wasting everyone's time.
Also, what the hell did I just read? What does possession stats have to do with fantasy, seriously what in gods name are you going on about
As for the +/- stat hilarious that you completely ignore what they have done in the regular season, it obviously has value to you because you mentioned it and it seems you use it as a tracker of defensive play now tell us how many times Henrik Sedin been a minus player in the league, the answer is one time. I for one think it's a garbage stat but it's really funny seeing you only half assingly using it, and cherry picking your arguments. I've had debates with you over the Sedins a countless amount of times, and it seems like you haven't changed.
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What a stupid thread...
The Sedins and Vrbata have been great this year. On pace for 70+ points, very much deserving of $7M.
The Sedins and Vrbata have been great this year. On pace for 70+ points, very much deserving of $7M.
Jumptheshark
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What is there is discuss except you are bad at math---he has 35 pts so he is nearly a pts per game person for the year and it looks like he will double his pts output from a year ago
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I'm not sure you've even watched the Sedins play. There's not much factual content in your post just a lot of Sedin hate.
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