HighAndTight
Ready To Be Hurt Again
Yahtzee.
It's unbelievable how far we've tumbled in faceoffs. The days of Henrik, Kesler, Malhotra and Lapierre all being +50% and being amongst the top teams in that category seem so long ago.
My feels.
Yahtzee.
It's unbelievable how far we've tumbled in faceoffs. The days of Henrik, Kesler, Malhotra and Lapierre all being +50% and being amongst the top teams in that category seem so long ago.
Lmao @ people freaking out about faceoffs. You don't want to be at the bottom of the league
losing Salo and Erhoff (and not replacing them) destroyed our defense in so many ways it hurts to think about.
But wait, we were supposed to be the better team right? What happened? President Trophy winning D? LOL. Dude, you're stuck in the past, time to wake up to reality. Your optimism is clearly on the edge of being delusional.
Canucks are not at the bottom of the league. They can thank Buffalo for that.
Erhroff I 100% attribute to the fall of our PP and scoring... our transition game has never been the same...
Yeah... I meant Jenning Trophy winning D...
And forgive me for not changing my opinion with every win or every loss that comes... I'm not a sky is falling kinda guy with a couple of losses... nor do i swing the other way with a couple of wins... I've remained consistent from moment camp opened.
Pros...
Allow me to pull out the AV quote... "Its about the process"...
The process, ie. style and systems of play, is a much better product... Top line is a top level top line, the PP looks more effective, Burrows is Burrows, PK is once again great looking...
I think they'll be more responsive to our coach over 82 than our last one...
Cons...
Need to find a more consistent push from our middle 6 @ 5-on-5...
Defensive lapses need to cease...
If there is anything to take outta last yr, is that Hamhuis and Bieksa had a really rough beginning of the season last October as well (especially Hammer)... and they bounced back nicely..I expect the exact same thing this yr from the 2 vets...
Onward to the next game! I zero interest in crying about a loss for more than 2 posts.
Here's to a bounceback performance from the D and Miller and a win to move to 4-2-0... We finally get to get in our groove with a game every other day...
Cheers!
Lmao @ people freaking out about faceoffs. You don't want to be at the bottom of the league, but next to hits it's one of the least useful statistics. A lost faceoff leads to about 10 seconds of puck possession on average. If you win even a paltry 45% of your draws, it's only 5 draws out of 50 for a 50-second swing in puck possession.
We're talking about maybe giving up an extra 1-2 shot attempts a game. Even if you think it leads to more puck possession than that, it's not going to be more than 3-4 shot attempts a game, maybe 2 of which land on net. So at a league average save percentage, maybe an extra goal against every 7 games, if the team continues to be terrible at them. It's probably even less than that, as I'd anticipate Hank or Richardson taking defensive zone draws more than Bonino or Vey.
I think you stick it out with Vey and let him work on it. He's a rookie. He's not going to get better watching someone else take them, and this team certainly isn't in a position where they need to be harming player development in order to sneak into the post-season. If they stay healthy and the younger players develop, they might sneak in. If not, it's a deep draft, and the team is on a mostly positive track at this point (I think).
People need to take a deep breath.
Erhroff I 100% attribute to the fall of our PP and scoring... our transition game has never been the same...
I'm a little confused as to how pointing out that we're 29th in FO% is considered A) freaking out, or B) Not taking a deep breath?
I'm pointing out that we're near last place in a statistic, and it's also not as insignificant a stat as you make it out to be. Possession is important, starting with the puck is important, and plenty of goals get scored off won draws. Being an average faceoff team is fine and dandy, being one of the worst is not.
I just hope people don't jump all over Horvat when he comes in and struggles. Rookies are inconsistent and very very rarely are they successful on face-offs. Horvat is a great prospect but I hope people don't expect him to be the saviour.
I just hope people don't jump all over Horvat when he comes in and struggles. Rookies are inconsistent and very very rarely are they successful on face-offs. Horvat is a great prospect but I hope people don't expect him to be the saviour.
I'm a little confused as to how pointing out that we're 29th in FO% is considered A) freaking out, or B) Not taking a deep breath?
I'm pointing out that we're near last place in a statistic, and it's also not as insignificant a stat as you make it out to be. Possession is important, starting with the puck is important, and plenty of goals get scored off won draws. Being an average faceoff team is fine and dandy, being one of the worst is not.
I just hope people don't jump all over Horvat when he comes in and struggles. Rookies are inconsistent and very very rarely are they successful on face-offs. Horvat is a great prospect but I hope people don't expect him to be the saviour.
It's funny...so many of the people who are first aboard the "blow it up and tank" bandwagon, are the least tolerant of rookie mistakes and learning process.
It's as though many here expect that rookies are going to be able to come in and dominate without missing a beat.
Some unrealistic conceptions of what "youth" in the lineup looks like.
I'd say the overall tenor of this thread/board contains more than a few people that seem to be overreacting and freaking out, to the point where I wonder what people's expectations were headed into this season. I didn't respond to anyone specifically, though.
really? we ran Schroeder out the door waay before him playing 82 games and Vey is already taking the heat...Horvat will come next (Jensen+Corrado r inconclusive but do recall taking some heat )
other than that, agreed on all part
I just hope people don't jump all over Horvat when he comes in and struggles. Rookies are inconsistent and very very rarely are they successful on face-offs. Horvat is a great prospect but I hope people don't expect him to be the saviour.
I'd say the overall tenor of this thread/board contains more than a few people that seem to be overreacting and freaking out, to the point where I wonder what people's expectations were headed into this season. I didn't respond to anyone specifically, though.
It is absolutely as insignificant as I pointed it out to be. It would be helpful to win a few more draws, but the disparity between "bad" and "mediocre" isn't enormous. Over the course of a season I'd put the difference between 45% and 48% at no more than maybe two or three goals over a season. Even if you want to double that, you're not looking at more than a "win" over the course of a season (somewhere around 6 goals per win in the standings the last time I checked).
Now, if you could go from being a 45% team to a 52-53% team, you might be talking about a couple wins over a season if you're generous. That's not insignificant, but people are focusing down too hard on powerplays.
Agreed with this. It would be great if he could be a helpful asset straight away, but I think there's a lot of high expectations that could do with some tempering.
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We'll have to agree to disagree.
And criticism Vey is taking is fair. Nobody is saying he's a bust or that he should be dumped, just that some of his weaknesses are a bit of a concern and need to be managed. And that his scads of PP time don't really seem earned.