Dahlin vs Heiskanen

[tarheelhockey]

Same old story, more people watch eastern conference teams rather than western conference, thus Dahlin gets much more exposure. I bet no neutral fan just accidentally tunes in to a Dallas match, but lots do tune into Buffalo games.

Who the hell randomly tunes into a Sabres game? They're one of the smallest Eastern Conference markets and are fending off a 9-year streak outside the playoffs.

If you're going to make an argument around one guy being more hyped than the other, it's not east vs west. It's simply 1st overall vs not-1st overall.

 

[Snowsii]

I didn’t even check it once. Why would I?

But thanks for explaining away your evidence as purely about advanced stats.

Maybe then you would see, that Dahlin is strugglin this season.. No wonder, you're achtung like a blind chicken

 

[AvsFan29]

I think we’re at Makar v Dahlin/Heiskanen at this point

 

[RorschachWJK]

I didn’t even check it once. Why would I?

But thanks for explaining away your evidence as purely about advanced stats.

You were pwned. Again. But please continue your crusade, it is providing laughs for many people

 

[Kcb12345]

I think we’re at Makar v Dahlin/Heiskanen at this point

Yep 100%. Makar is awesome and looking like a 60+ point guy at the very least this season

 

[AvsFan29]

Yep 100%. Makar is awesome and looking like a 60+ point guy at the very least this season

The rookie record is 76, so I’m hoping to see him beat that. He has a good shot. The modern day record is 49. He should have no problem beating that

 

[Kaako Kappo]

I wish Heiskanen played as aggressive offensively as Makar or Hughes. But he's a bit different, maybe more responsible in his own end...at the cost of some offense. Well, he's second in points on his team anyways so I guess that's fine.

 

[Satan]

I wish Heiskanen played as aggressive offensively as Makar or Hughes. But he's a bit different, maybe more responsible in his own end...at the cost of some offense. Well, he's second in points on his team anyways so I guess that's fine.

He had 7 shots against the Oilers yesterday.

He's generating a ton of offense for the Stars but it's not always flashy. Watching him cut through the neutral zone, casually take on McDavid wide and set up Seguin for the game tying goal yesterday was incredible. He is so composed with the puck on his stick.

 

[Kcb12345]

I wish Heiskanen played as aggressive offensively as Makar or Hughes. But he's a bit different, maybe more responsible in his own end...at the cost of some offense. Well, he's second in points on his team anyways so I guess that's fine.

To add to what Satan said, his offensive style is much safer than most and you'll notice that it's extremely rare that he gets caught up ice or gives up an odd man rush. Think part of that is that he's a safe and smart player but the another large part is the Stars style of play.

In the Stars 6-3 comeback win over Minnesota we sorta got a little glimpse of what it's like with a super aggressive Heiskanen offensively, and it was incredible. Dangling around guys, spending a ton of time deep in the zone, etc.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

To add to what Satan said, his offensive style is much safer than most and you'll notice that it's extremely rare that he gets caught up ice or gives up an odd man rush. Think part of that is that he's a safe and smart player but the another large part is the Stars style of play.

In the Stars 6-3 comeback win over Minnesota we sorta got a little glimpse of what it's like with a super aggressive Heiskanen offensively, and it was incredible. Dangling around guys, spending a ton of time deep in the zone, etc.

I know, I've seen almost all his games. Like I said, he's more responsible.

 

[Slimmy]

I think we’re at Makar v Dahlin/Heiskanen at this point

Makar is benefiting a lot from playing with McKinnon. He's also 21 years old.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Makar is benefiting a lot from playing with McKinnon. He's also 21 years old.

Points wise he's mostly benefiting from their very strong power play.

 

[Kcb12345]

Points wise he's mostly benefiting from their very strong power play.

Makar is benefiting a lot from playing with McKinnon. He's also 21 years old.

He's too talented to not rack up the points though, and he does create a lot of it himself (like his goals).

14 points on plays involving MacKinnon
8 points without/involving others

He obviously wouldn't be a PPG player without MacKinnon, but I think the biggest difference between him and other young dmen is the lack of competition on the roster for that #1 dman spot/top powerplay spot. Girard is solid but definitely not #1 material.

In Dallas you have Klingberg.
Buffalo has Ristolainen.
Canucks have Edler (who Hughes had to battle for that top PP spot, just like the guys above).
Etc.

Makar was guaranteed that top spot right away.

And as soon as they traded away Barrie it became pretty clear that Makar is gonna be a 60+ point player this season. His playoff performance sealed that though and he proved he was ready for it.

Can't imagine how many points he starts picking up when Rantanen and Landeskog come back. Don't know how teams will even keep that unit off the board

 

[AvsFan29]

Makar is benefiting a lot from playing with McKinnon. He's also 21 years old.

What defenceman doesn’t benefit from their forwards?

 

[M88K]

What defenceman doesn’t benefit from their forwards?

I think his point was that he's playing with the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NHL behind McDavid and maybe Kucherov.
And with Mac alone being able to dominate and control games he can have an easier time ranking up points by just getting the puck to Mac and getting out of the way so to speak

 

[Kaako Kappo]

What defenceman doesn’t benefit from their forwards?

Miro

But yeah, seems like we're entering a new age of extremely talented young D men. Exciting.

 

[AvsFan29]

I think his point was that he's playing with the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NHL behind McDavid and maybe Kucherov.
And with Mac alone being able to dominate and control games he can have an easier time ranking up points by just getting the puck to Mac and getting out of the way so to speak

Way she goes

 

[1OApick]

Both amazing players. You can see Dahlin is more skilled and phisically not mature at all. I think Heiskanen is a "better athlete" and thus far better player at the moment.

 

[FinPanda]

Because it's transparent. Why are those criticizing him so much disproportionately Finnish or Stars fans?

You can't say _every_ Finnish fans is biased though. It's wrong to assume because one's nationality.

Even Finns can see if someone is better than some Finn.

 

[Slimmy]

What defenceman doesn’t benefit from their forwards?

You know exactly what I mean. You know how talented MacKinnon is.

 

[AvsFan29]

You know exactly what I mean. You know how talented MacKinnon is.

That doesn’t make Makar any less of a player

 

[Slimmy]

That doesn’t make Makar any less of a player

What it does is that it lends some much needed perspective to Makars point production. There are many factors to a players success, one being linemates. Age and maturity is also a factor.
When comparing Makar to his peers it's only fair to point out those advantages.

 

[Kiekura]

What it does is that it lends some much needed perspective to Makars point production. There are many factors to a players success, one being linemates. Age and maturity is also a factor.
When comparing Makar to his peers it's only fair to point out those advantages.

You can see it on Dahlin too. Buffalo forwards aren't playing well (outside of Eichel) and suddenly he isn't getting points. Their hot PP from start of season has come down too.

 

[AvsFan29]

What it does is that it lends some much needed perspective to Makars point production. There are many factors to a players success, one being linemates. Age and maturity is also a factor.
When comparing Makar to his peers it's only fair to point out those advantages.

Makar has like 16 primary points. He picks up easy points for sure, but he’s involved, which is a big plus. He’s the best Dman 21 and under in the league

 

[Kiekura]

Makar has like 16 primary points. He picks up easy points for sure, but he’s involved, which is a big plus. He’s the best Dman 21 and under in the league

Yeah Makar generates lots himself. And i agree he is best offensive D-man under 21 right now.