OT: Covid-19 (Part 36) Closing Time

[SOLR]

But where do you see he's a bat biologist? He never published any research about bats and it's not mentioned anywhere I could find but your posts.

The virology part is important because this is a virology question. I'm a biologist too, but I wouldn't claim to be an expert on fish as I've never done any research on that.

He said it multiple times in his podcast, since there is no easy way to search within the saying in a video, not sure exactly where.

 

[Milhouse40]

There was 14 earthquakes (and counting) this morning in 4 hours with a huge 7.9 in the pacific that triggered a Tsunami warning, apparently it has now been confirmed and New Zealand, Australia + many little Island are now expecting one (although it could be very small or huge...they still don't know).

NZ just asked their citizen to move away from the shore....

 

[SOLR]

What work? There is no mention anywhere of him working on anything science related since he resigned from Evergreen. Even when he was at Evergreen, he was teaching, not doing actual research that I can see.

He has his podcast/youtube/talks and his patreon, that's his job right now. He also dwelled in politics as the leader of the Unity 2020 party and was a visiting fellow in the department of politics of Princeton University.

My feeling is that he's always done some work with Heather Heying (his wife and a frog researcher), but I'm not sure who funds it.

 

[Deebs]

 

[MasterD]

Read something interesting today about how they think they were able to trace the UK variant's origins to a single person who has been chronically infected. Might be a bunch of fluff but goes to show how important it is to avoid being infected as much as possible. Those who think it doesn't matter, that they'll just be a little sick and recover, don't get it.

Every time you get infected, there's a potential for it to mutate within you. It's probably pretty unlikely that it mutated enough in one single person to create a new variant that actually changes things as much as the UK variant has, but it's not impossible. Anyone, I don't think I need to convince any of you guys at this point. Most of the deniers have gone into hiding.

Lol no, we're just sick of trying to argue with people who gang up and refuse to listen to counter arguments. Also, most people don't deny much, we're just saying the severity of the situation hasn't rationnally warranted the intensity of the reaction. COVID exists, yes. People have, and will die, yes. No one denies that. We just don't agree 100% with the herd's mentality going on in this threat.

 

[Treb]

He said it multiple times in his podcast, since there is no easy way to search within the saying in a video, not sure exactly where.

My impression is that he may be lying about his credentials, but who knows.

My feeling is that he's always done some work with Heather Heying (his wife and a frog researcher), but I'm not sure who funds it.

She doesn't really do any research either. They have their book ( https://www.amazon.ca/Hunter-Gatherers-Guide-21st-Century-Challenges/dp/0593086880 ), podcasts, talks , youtube channel and Patreon, but I'm not seeing any indication anywhere of her doing any actual research. Like Weinstein, she hasn't been associated with any actual science work since Evegreen in 2017 and has been a visiting fellow in the department of politics of Princeton University.

 

[SOLR]

My impression is that he may be lying about his credentials, but who knows.



She doesn't really do any research either. They have their book ( https://www.amazon.ca/Hunter-Gatherers-Guide-21st-Century-Challenges/dp/0593086880 ), podcasts, talks , youtube channel and Patreon, but I'm not seeing any indication anywhere of her doing any actual research. Like Weinstein, she hasn't been associated with any actual science work since Evegreen in 2017 and has been a visiting fellow in the department of politics of Princeton University.

I think this is going a little far. You have no evidence whatsoever about this. Many scientists are doing science work for 3rd party organizations with NDAs - it's not uncommon and you know it.

 

[Kriss E]

My feeling is that he's always done some work with Heather Heying (his wife and a frog researcher), but I'm not sure who funds it.

You just told me only the truth matters and now you're going with your feelings...
There is no evidence of him being some bat specialist anywhere. He said it himself, which means nothing.

Here's the truth, the OMS just released a statement saying the lab creation theory is extremely unlikely. That's it. I'm not peddling in any conspiracy theories, I'm not gonna listen to a self-titled specialist on bats on a podcast, I just stick to what has factually come out. That's it.

Is it still possible it did come from a lab? Sure. But until proof comes out, then I'm not gonna just decide for myself like I know better than the freaking OMS. Like wtf man.
You can always come up with theories, even if China opened up everything and an independent unit came in to investigate coming up with the same conclusion, you'll have plenty of folks suggesting China hid the evidence before and blablabla.

The truth matters you said yet you ignore the OMS report. You're contradicting yourself.

 

[SOLR]

You just told me only the truth matters and now you're going with your feelings...
There is no evidence of him being some bat specialist anywhere. He said it himself, which means nothing.

Here's the truth, the OMS just released a statement saying the lab creation theory is extremely unlikely. That's it. I'm not peddling in any controversies, I'm not gonna listen to a self-titled specialist on bats on a podcast.

Is it still possible it did come from a lab? Sure. But until proof comes out, then I'm not gonna just decide for myself like I know better than the freaking OMS. Like wtf man.
You can always come up with theories, even if China opened up everything and an independent unit came in to investigate coming up with the same conclusion, you'll have plenty of folks suggesting China hid the evidence before and blablabla.

The truth matters you said yet you ignore the OMS report. You're contradicting yourself.

"You just told me only the truth matters and now you're going with your feelings..."
It is because the truth matters that I'm not claiming to know the truth. You are just harassing me at this point.

WHO report: There is no evidence there either, it's just their opinion. Not sure why you are giving that report any value.
This is opinion is now mainstream science and in no way a "conspiracy theory". Hypothesis are openly discussed in scientific circle all the time.

How the hunt for COVID-19's origin became a twisted, confusing mess

To date, countless papers and endless hours have investigated the natural origins theory. History shows this very likely could be the source of SARS-CoV-2. The lab leak theory became so entangled in conspiracy and geopolitics that it was almost immediately dismissed. A serious, reputable investigation is required.
The WHO mission in Wuhan is not prepared to do so. It will, a spokesperson says, examine hospital records and map activities and items traded at Huanan and other seafood markets. But even if the investigation was giving serious thought to alternative hypotheses like an accidental leak, so much time has elapsed since COVID-19's emergence that we may have missed our window. "I'm afraid it's too late for the lab leak theory to be seriously investigated," says Suryanarayanan, from US Right To Know. "That said, I don't think people should give up on that."​

I'm not ignoring any tract of information - all I want is an open investigation.

 

[ClasslessGuy]

another day under 10 new cases in Outaouais.

 

[Kriss E]

"You just told me only the truth matters and now you're going with your feelings..."
It is because the truth matters that I'm not claiming to know the truth. You are just harassing me at this point.

WHO report: There is no evidence there either, it's just their opinion. Not sure why you are giving that report any value.
This is opinion is now mainstream science and in no way a "conspiracy theory". Hypothesis are openly discussed in scientific circle all the time.

How the hunt for COVID-19's origin became a twisted, confusing mess

To date, countless papers and endless hours have investigated the natural origins theory. History shows this very likely could be the source of SARS-CoV-2. The lab leak theory became so entangled in conspiracy and geopolitics that it was almost immediately dismissed. A serious, reputable investigation is required.
The WHO mission in Wuhan is not prepared to do so. It will, a spokesperson says, examine hospital records and map activities and items traded at Huanan and other seafood markets. But even if the investigation was giving serious thought to alternative hypotheses like an accidental leak, so much time has elapsed since COVID-19's emergence that we may have missed our window. "I'm afraid it's too late for the lab leak theory to be seriously investigated," says Suryanarayanan, from US Right To Know. "That said, I don't think people should give up on that."​

I'm not ignoring any tract of information - all I want is an open investigation.

Harassing you? Lol..what?

The OMS released their statement. I'm not deciding anything. They looked at four different theories and said it's highly unlikely it came from lab. I'm not claiming anything, I simply trust the organization put in charge of investigating. You don't want to believe them, that's on you.
If they come up with new information in a month suggesting otherwise, then I'll believe whatever they say then.
As it stands today, the lab theory is very unlikely. Thats all there is to it.

 

[Kriss E]

I think this is going a little far. You have no evidence whatsoever about this. Many scientists are doing science work for 3rd party organizations with NDAs - it's not uncommon and you know it.

And you have no evidence of him actually being a bat expert.. Maybe he is, but usually you'll have a ton of actual evidence proving it.
If anyone is an expert or specialist, you can Google their name and find articles they've written or studies they've participated on, etc. Cant find any of that for Bret.

 

[Treb]

I think this is going a little far. You have no evidence whatsoever about this. Many scientists are doing science work for 3rd party organizations with NDAs - it's not uncommon and you know it.

Actually, I don't. I've never heard of a scientist not affiliated with any academic, public or private company doing research without leaving any trace whatsoever.

Even if hired as a consultant, there would be trace of it, but there's absolutely nothing.

 

[MasterD]

You just told me only the truth matters and now you're going with your feelings...
There is no evidence of him being some bat specialist anywhere. He said it himself, which means nothing.

Here's the truth, the OMS just released a statement saying the lab creation theory is extremely unlikely. That's it. I'm not peddling in any conspiracy theories, I'm not gonna listen to a self-titled specialist on bats on a podcast, I just stick to what has factually come out. That's it.

Is it still possible it did come from a lab? Sure. But until proof comes out, then I'm not gonna just decide for myself like I know better than the freaking OMS. Like wtf man.
You can always come up with theories, even if China opened up everything and an independent unit came in to investigate coming up with the same conclusion, you'll have plenty of folks suggesting China hid the evidence before and blablabla.

The truth matters you said yet you ignore the OMS report. You're contradicting yourself.

The WHO has had a shaky reliability in the past. They're "independant" on paper, but I'm not sure how much they should be trusted to be honest.

WHO swine flu experts 'linked' with drug companies
WHO and the pandemic flu “conspiracies”

 

[SOLR]

Actually, I don't. I've never heard of a scientist not affiliated with any academic, public or private company doing research without leaving any trace whatsoever.

Even if hired as a consultant, there would be trace of it, but there's absolutely nothing.

Hmm - I've been all my career in this situation. If you work for any Fortune 1000 companies it's very possible that there are zero traces. Everywhere there is IP.

My work is scientific from a computer sciences pov. Google for example, only releases 10-20% of their research, and only if it leads to a patent.

 

[Treb]

Hmm - I've been all my career in this situation. If you work for any Fortune 1000 companies it's very possible that there are zero traces. Everywhere there is IP.

My work is scientific from a computer sciences pov. Google for example, only releases 10-20% of their research, and only if it leads to a patent.

I'm pretty sure you are promoting yourself as a computer scientist and that there is a way to find you on the internet. There would be some indication that you are a freelance worker.

Again, not talking about the content of his research, but there isn't even a trace of him doing anything but podcasts, youtube, talks and politics since 2017.

 

[Kriss E]

The WHO has had a shaky reliability in the past. They're "independant" on paper, but I'm not sure how much they should be trusted to be honest.

WHO swine flu experts 'linked' with drug companies
WHO and the pandemic flu “conspiracies”

Well until such things come out regarding this current investigation, then I'll just take their word for it.
I assume there are ways to detect if this was made in the lab and based on that it just doesn't make sense.
Other scientist came out discussing the variants suggesting that how this virus mutates makes it, again, very unlikely to have been created in a lab.

I'm not a scientist, I'm not an investigator, I don't have any information on what they've done or how all these scientists got to their conclusions. So I'll just take their words for it.
Otherwise, you get sucked into a world of second guessing everything.

 

[MasterD]

Well until such things come out regarding this current investigation, then I'll just take their word for it.
I assume there are ways to detect if this was made in the lab and based on that it just doesn't make sense.
Other scientist came out discussing the variants suggesting that how this virus mutates makes it, again, very unlikely to have been created in a lab.

I'm not a scientist, I'm not an investigator, I don't have any information on what they've done or how all these scientists got to their conclusions. So I'll just take their words for it.
Otherwise, you get sucked into a world of second guessing everything.

We should.

Medecine is FULL of examples of "scientific truths" that were reversed decades later as complete disinformation and/or fraud.

 

[Kriss E]

We should.

Medecine is FULL of examples of "scientific truths" that were reversed decades later as complete disinformation and/or fraud.

Meh, not interested in doing that, especially for things I know f*** all about.

 

[SOLR]

I'm pretty sure you are promoting yourself as a computer scientist and that there is a way to find you on the internet. There would be some indication that you are a freelance worker.

Again, not talking about the content of his research, but there isn't even a trace of him doing anything but podcasts, youtube, talks and politics since 2017.

The fact that there is nothing on the Internet is not convincing evidence that nothing exists. You are suggesting that the Internet knows everything when at best the Internet knows 30-40%.

Not a computer scientist, I'm an SEO (as a said a few times now). I know each client is keeping a lot of stuff from Google, I'm the person hiding it. PR agencies hire guys like me all the time to *hide* stuff.

I don't think Bret Weinstein who is connected to Peter Thiel via his brother, needs to advertise anything. I'm just suggesting here that if you are high-profile person at this point, the "jobs" come to you.

Again, not defending Bret, just commenting on your statement.

 

[Treb]

The fact that there is nothing on the Internet is not convincing evidence that nothing exists. You are suggesting that the Internet knows everything when at best the Internet knows 30-40%.

Not a computer scientist, I'm an SEO (as a said a few times now). I know each client is keeping a lot of stuff from Google, I'm the person hiding it. PR agencies hire guys like me all the time to *hide* stuff.

I don't think Bret Weinstein who is connected to Peter Thiel via his brother, needs to advertise anything. I'm just suggesting here that if you are high-profile person at this point, the "jobs" come to you.

Again, not defending Bret, just commenting on your statement.

Ok.

 

[Kriss E]

COVID-19 updates, Feb. 10: Outbreaks close four Montreal schools, including one with variant | Montreal Gazette

So...what yall think? Back in lockdown by spring break?

 

[River Meadow]

Surgical masks literally say on the box... does not protect against virus.

Why.. just why, are we still recommending them?

I can breathe super easily with a surgical mask, and have trouble breathing thru my own mask with filter... doesn't take a genius to figure it out

 

[River Meadow]

COVID-19 updates, Feb. 10: Outbreaks close four Montreal schools, including one with variant | Montreal Gazette

So...what yall think? Back in lockdown by spring break?

Hopefully we are completely locked down until they can inoculate everyone.... in 7 years.

 

[dinodebino]

another day under 10 new cases in Outaouais.

Bout time! Most importantly : number of cases within the health workers is dropping rapidly.