OT: Covid-19 (Part 36) Closing Time

[Lshap]

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[PhysicX]

Curfew time,
Time for you to stay home and root for your favorite team
Curfew time,
Thank god for this forum as it allows us all to let off some steam
Can't try pants nor a jacket
At the nearby market
Can't meet my nephews or friends
Covid time, let's keep our heads up and enjoy all the little things in life, yeah

I know what I don't want to take with me home
I know what I don't want to take with me home
I know what I don't want to take with me home
No covid hooomeee

 

[Lshap]

Schools are spreading COVID-19 in Montreal, new study finds | Montreal Gazette

Aside from many of us predicting last summer that opening schools would trigger the next surge, I specifically mentioned something this Université de Montréal study focuses on: Ventilation in classrooms. They're installing air purifiers in some schools, which is a good idea, even if it took them five months to do it! I'm very interested to see the data over the next month or so.

Six months ago I suggested using air humidifiers, which make air molecules heavier and less likely to travel distances. Some combination of that, plus open windows (and block heaters to counteract the chill), could've significantly reduced transmission in classroom had the government acted intelligently and proactively.

 

[Lshap]

I know what I don't want to take with me home
I know what I don't want to take with me home
I know what I don't want to take with me home
No covid hooomeee

When this damn thing is finally done, I should string together every song from every Covid thread to tell the musical story.

 

[PhysicX]

When this damn thing is finally done, I should string together every song from every Covid thread to tell the musical story.

I've added to my *cough* masterpiece.

 

[llamateizer]

Interesting graph on it's only a flu and hospitals are always full in winter

 

[waffledave]

Shit.

Hospitals nearing critical point when doctors will be asked "to kill" | Montreal Gazette

 

[Kriss E]

Aside from many of us predicting last summer that opening schools would trigger the next surge, I specifically mentioned something this Université de Montréal study focuses on: Ventilation in classrooms. They're installing air purifiers in some schools, which is a good idea, even if it took them five months to do it! I'm very interested to see the data over the next month or so.

Six months ago I suggested using air humidifiers, which make air molecules heavier and less likely to travel distances. Some combination of that, plus open windows (and block heaters to counteract the chill), could've significantly reduced transmission in classroom had the government acted intelligently and proactively.

Frustrating part is apparently school boards are the ones deciding whether or not to add in air purifiers.

 

[Kriss E]

Shit.

Hospitals nearing critical point when doctors will be asked "to kill" | Montreal Gazette

Weren't we worst off during the first wave?

 

[Lshap]

Weren't we worst off during the first wave?

Slightly worse hospitalization numbers in April (from memory), but we'll pass them soon unless things slow down quickly.

 

[Lshap]

Frustrating part is apparently school boards are the ones deciding whether or not to add in air purifiers.

The reaction to my suggestion for humidifiers/ventilation upgrades was that it would be too expensive for gov't to finance. Meanwhile, the cost of supporting closed businesses, loss of GST, healthcare, etc. is way beyond what it would've cost to supply classrooms with stuff you can get at Canadian Tire.

 

[Kriss E]

The reaction to my suggestion for humidifiers/ventilation upgrades was that it would be too expensive for gov't to finance. Meanwhile, the cost of supporting closed businesses, loss of GST, healthcare, etc. is way beyond what it would've cost to supply classrooms with stuff you can get at Canadian Tire.

No doubt about it. There's been some really head scratching decisions taken by the government.

 

[HockeyAddict]

The SPVM doing SPVM things... I have no problems with them handing out fines when its warranted but lets not use the curfew to harass people.

Montreal evening-shift workers slapped with curfew fines despite authorization letters | CTV News

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

We can see a well developed peak!

Cases over two weeks graph:


Daily cases in blue stack with the red line being a 7 day average:

 

[A Loyal Dog]

Shit.

Hospitals nearing critical point when doctors will be asked "to kill" | Montreal Gazette

Let's open schools Monday!! "Ca va bien aller"

 

[llamateizer]

Weren't we worst off during the first wave?

yes, we reached 1.8k
however, it was in the spring. There is higher hospitalization in winter, so less available beds.

The SPVM doing SPVM things... I have no problems with them handing out fines when its warranted but lets not use the curfew to harass people.

Montreal evening-shift workers slapped with curfew fines despite authorization letters | CTV News

Having the papers doesn't allow you to wander or gather.
I'd like to hear the whole story.

If it's true, it's bad judgement from the cops.

 

[Ozmodiar]

yes, we reached 1.8k
however, it was in the spring. There is higher hospitalization in winter, so less available beds.



Having the papers doesn't allow you to wander or gather.
I'd like to hear the whole story.

If it's true, it's bad judgement from the cops.

The story indicates they were at a bus stop. Who knows?

 

[Kriss E]

yes, we reached 1.8k
however, it was in the spring. There is higher hospitalization in winter, so less available beds.

In normal times. Some of these are other viruses like cold and flu but seeing how everyone is staying in, gathering way way way less than usual, and whenever they are out it's with a mask and distancing...I assume there's a lot less cases from these viruses.
How do Nov-Dec hospitalizations in 2020 compare to 2019?

 

[llamateizer]

In normal times. Some of these are other viruses like cold and flu but seeing how everyone is staying in, gathering way way way less than usual, and whenever they are out it's with a mask and distancing...I assume there's a lot less cases from these viruses.
How do Nov-Dec hospitalizations in 2020 compare to 2019?

I'm not sure about what the numbers represents.

https://publications.msss.gouv.qc.ca/msss/fichiers/flashGrippe/FlashGrippe_vol10_no5.pdf
19 au 25 janvier 2020
6.2% of total consulations (3436 consultations) with fever/cough
2.59% of total consultations diagnosed with flu diagnostic (1446)

"Au cours de la dernière semaine, 7,1 % des patients ont été admis dans un hôpital du Québec après un diagnostic clinique de pneumonie ou de grippe. Il s’agit d’une diminution par rapport à la semaine passée (8,1%)."

7.1% of 1446? or 7% of all hospitalizations.


Suivi de l'activité grippale - Grippe - Professionnels de la santé - MSSS



as for the flu. When Arruda said that influenza is eradicated

2020 vs 2019

 

[Runner77]

That’s one song where I wish they’d have gone with a longer solo. But, we’ll accept the short solo if it means a shortened pandemic.

 

[Runner77]

Frustrating part is apparently school boards are the ones deciding whether or not to add in air purifiers.

How is that possible? Ventilation ought to be part of a province-wide Covid offensive. You don’t leave that to people who may have far narrower interests.

 

[HockeyAddict]

yes, we reached 1.8k
however, it was in the spring. There is higher hospitalization in winter, so less available beds.



Having the papers doesn't allow you to wander or gather.
I'd like to hear the whole story.

If it's true, it's bad judgement from the cops.

I agree, it would require the full story to draw a final conclusion...

 

[Runner77]

The reaction to my suggestion for humidifiers/ventilation upgrades was that it would be too expensive for gov't to finance. Meanwhile, the cost of supporting closed businesses, loss of GST, healthcare, etc. is way beyond what it would've cost to supply classrooms with stuff you can get at Canadian Tire.

Won’t those new ventilation systems also help avert future contaminations due to other viruses? It’s a long term investment on something that has been severely neglected.

 

[Kriss E]

How is that possible? Ventilation ought to be part of a province-wide Covid offensive. You don’t leave that to people who may have far narrower interests.

Apparently public health stated there is no proof linking air purifiers to reducing viral loads or something like that, according to an article I read. Some school boards still went forward with it and are asking reimbursement from government.

I have a few teacher friends, from what I heard, they've had very little support and planning. A lot of freestyling and ''you guys figure it out'' attitude.

 

[LeHab]

Early data coming out of Israel:

Initial Israeli data: First Pfizer shot curbs infections by 50% after 14 days