Could Miro Heiskanen win the Norris already?

[txpd]

it's just
Carlson carrying the team all by himself and stuff.

Is Miro carrying a team all by himself??

 

[hairylikebear]

Did you miss the part where he said our coach wastes the entire PP by throwing the Klingberg unit out there? Heiskanen's unit is the better unit but Montgomery insists on giving the Klingberg group all of the PP time basically. You'd think our coach would simply do a lot of things but he just doesn't and a lot of the stuff he does makes zero sense when it comes to offense. You should know all about poor powerplay usage with how Ristolainen was preferred by Housley over Dahlin at times last season on the 1st unit

Klingberg's unit is better though, in every measurable way - Goals, xGF, Scoring Chances, etc. Last year the gap was pretty wide also. Heiskanen is at least as good at even strength because he recognizes the importance of making safe productive plays and has the intelligence to do it, but on the PP Klingberg benefits from the extra ice where he can attempt creative risks knowing he has some extra help ready to bail him out in case he miscalculates. This notion that Heiskanen would outperform Klingberg on the top unit that some Stars fans keep pushing is fairly ridiculous. He had an opportunity to do that early last year and demonstrated he's just not the same class of talent as Klingberg in PP situations.

Having said that, he has proven to be vastly superior to Klingberg in all other situations, especially on defense. There are actually few players in the league that can compare to Heiskanen's defensive metrics right now. I don't think it'll be enough to get him a Norris nomination without some major increase in his point production. In time I think he'll develop that skillset though. There's nothing Klingberg does on the PP that Heiskanen can't.

 

[BB88]

I understand the hype from the “Finnish Five” posters. Having lived in and played hockey in Finland, there is a real sense of ‘underdog that wants to make a name for themselves’ from Finns.

we’ve seen it many times before:

Barkov is better than MacKinnon (oops)
Laine is better than Matthews (oops)
Heiskanen is better than Dahlin (yikes)

it’s mostly because the overhyping from Finnish media. I saw it with my own 2 eyes while I was playing there. The Finnish media goes over the top (to the point where “the Finnish Five” basically sound just like the newspapers and sports television shows in Finland). I’ve truely never seen anything like it from any other media in any other country. They go so far beyond anything reasonable. It’s why we see it with many Finnish posters right here on this very board. It’s how it is in Finland

There's no hype for Heiskanen here.

Klingberg's unit is better though, in every measurable way - Goals, xGF, Scoring Chances, etc. Last year the gap was pretty wide also. Heiskanen is at least as good at even strength because he recognizes the importance of making safe productive plays and has the intelligence to do it, but on the PP Klingberg benefits from the extra ice where he can attempt creative risks knowing he has some extra help ready to bail him out in case he miscalculates. This notion that Heiskanen would outperform Klingberg on the top unit that some Stars fans keep pushing is fairly ridiculous. He had an opportunity to do that early last year and demonstrated he's just not the same class of talent as Klingberg in PP situations.

Having said that, he has proven to be vastly superior to Klingberg in all other situations, especially on defense. There are actually few players in the league that can compare to Heiskanen's defensive metrics right now. I don't think it'll be enough to get him a Norris nomination without some major increase in his point production. In time I think he'll develop that skillset though. There's nothing Klingberg does on the PP that Heiskanen can't.

What the Hell does last year have to do with today?

 

[Fixxer]

Trophies are often handed by reputation, so he's got at least a few more years of getting known, to surpass more popular options.

 

[hairylikebear]

What the Hell does last year have to do with today?

Last year is the most recent time we have been able to see Heiskanen with the top PP unit for any consistent period of time. In my opinion, Heiskanen hasn't made any substantial strides in the way he runs a PP unit, so I think that info is still relevant.

 

[Neutral Hockey Fan]

Dahlin is basically a full year younger than heiskanen and Dahlin is far less physically mature.

If there’s one thing I learned from the “Finnish Five” in the Matthews vs laine threads, it’s that a year of development at that age is MASSIVE.

Once Dahlin grows in to his man body, and becomes as physically mature as Miro, watch out! The age advantage Miro has will always be there, so for the first 8 or so years of their careers, heiskanen will always have that going for him, which Dahlin will have to compensate for. So far, he is more than making up for all heiskanen’s advantages (age, physical maturity)

 

[Kcb12345]

Klingberg's unit is better though, in every measurable way - Goals, xGF, Scoring Chances, etc. Last year the gap was pretty wide also. Heiskanen is at least as good at even strength because he recognizes the importance of making safe productive plays and has the intelligence to do it, but on the PP Klingberg benefits from the extra ice where he can attempt creative risks knowing he has some extra help ready to bail him out in case he miscalculates. This notion that Heiskanen would outperform Klingberg on the top unit that some Stars fans keep pushing is fairly ridiculous. He had an opportunity to do that early last year and demonstrated he's just not the same class of talent as Klingberg in PP situations.

Having said that, he has proven to be vastly superior to Klingberg in all other situations, especially on defense. There are actually few players in the league that can compare to Heiskanen's defensive metrics right now. I don't think it'll be enough to get him a Norris nomination without some major increase in his point production. In time I think he'll develop that skillset though. There's nothing Klingberg does on the PP that Heiskanen can't.

Better in that they get more powerplay time and have had 2 nearly full 5 on 3 chances, sure. They have not been better when it comes to moving the puck or entering the zone though. Nothing but sloppiness from that group, and one of their goals came from Roope Hintz (who is now on the 2nd unit) setting up Jamie Benn off the rush. Even if they have generated more, it's certainly not because of Klingberg. I'm referring more though to this 2nd unit since it added Perry and Gurianov

 

[Slap]

Dahlin is basically a full year younger than heiskanen and Dahlin is far less physically mature.

If there’s one thing I learned from the “Finnish Five” in the Matthews vs laine threads, it’s that a year of development at that age is MASSIVE.

Once Dahlin grows in to his man body, and becomes as physically mature as Miro, watch out! The age advantage Miro has will always be there, so for the first 8 or so years of their careers, heiskanen will always have that going for him, which Dahlin will have to compensate for. So far, he is more than making up for all heiskanen’s advantages (age, physical maturity)

What? Heiskanen is a twig. What he is doing has nothing to do with physical maturity.

 

[Chainshot]

It's such a reputation trophy that it seems unlikely that it would be this year, but his body of work is impressive and seems to be well-viewed by the voters, so yeah, "soon" (albeit that being a couple more seasons) seems likely.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Soon but not this year, just a matter of time for him

 

[Jumptheshark]

John Carlson says hi

 

[BB88]

Last year is the most recent time we have been able to see Heiskanen with the top PP unit for any consistent period of time. In my opinion, Heiskanen hasn't made any substantial strides in the way he runs a PP unit, so I think that info is still relevant.

You are looking at Heiskanens rookie season and ignoring that completely.

 

[ccman68]

 

[Kcb12345]

Little surprising considering how much Sekera has struggled at times

Tbh idk what this stat even means but apparently it's good?

 

[LaP]

Little surprising considering how much Sekera has struggled at times

Tbh idk what this stat even means but apparently it's good?

If it says Weber and Mete are top 15 in the league no it's not.

 

[Lobodomy]

Never I hope

 

[sabrebuild]

Did you miss the part where he said our coach wastes the entire PP by throwing the Klingberg unit out there? Heiskanen's unit is the better unit but Montgomery insists on giving the Klingberg group all of the PP time basically. You'd think our coach would simply do a lot of things but he just doesn't and a lot of the stuff he does makes zero sense when it comes to offense. You should know all about poor powerplay usage with how Ristolainen was preferred by Housley over Dahlin at times last season on the 1st unit

To be fair to both sides, Klingberg is an entrenched offensive defenseman, and is no easy player to move off the pp.

For Dahlin last year, he basically moved Risto off the top pp unit about 3 months in. Risto has banked regular 40+ point seasons, good but not a savant.

I don't know how they would do if they switched teams.

 

[Panthaz89]

Little surprising considering how much Sekera has struggled at times

Tbh idk what this stat even means but apparently it's good?

the fact that a Fedun pairing is 5th just shows that Dallas plays low event boring hockey.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Little surprising considering how much Sekera has struggled at times

Tbh idk what this stat even means but apparently it's good?

Yea, but a team having multiple pairings at the top(one featuring fedun) might indicate a team's play-style caters to a stat (unintentionally of course)

 

[Kcb12345]

He won't have the point totals to win this season or the league-wide recognition, but it's nice to see him getting noticed by some people:

An early look at the top candidates for the 2019-20 Norris...

"Miro Heiskanen, Dallas Stars: With John Klingberg struggling to start the season (and now injured), Heiskanen has stepped up, delivering excellent two-way numbers to lead the team’s regulars in expected goals and actual goals. Those are in relatively tough minutes too, and Heiskanen is thriving as one of the early leaders in defensive impact. Like Ekblad, the lack of power-play time hurts his scoring totals."

1 of 7 dmen listed here

 

[atreyuavenged]

Probably Carlson this year. They like to award this award after a guy has been slogging a few years beforehand.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Little surprising considering how much Sekera has struggled at times

Tbh idk what this stat even means but apparently it's good?

Whatever it is it's not a stat that is going to get him a Norris any time soon.

 

[AvsCOL]

He's a long way from a Norris yet. Great player, but until he's scoring 60+ points consistently, he has no shot. Carlson is running away with the Norris right now.

 

[Kcb12345]

Obviously its wayyy too early and he most likely won't have the points or recognition to win this season, but some people are really starting to take notice around the league. At the very least he should get some votes. Still remains incredibly unrelated as many writers have mentioned and Montgomery mentioned this week. People still don't know how good he is mainly cause he plays in Dallas

The Armies: Marky and the Odd-Man Rushes, the Heiskanen Show...



This video from sportsnet has Carlson winning but mentions Miro as a potential nominee/finalist, which would still be incredible.


An early look at the top candidates for the 2019-20 Norris...

 

[jonlin]

Is Miro carrying a team all by himself??

I guess he may actually be close to carrying?