Coronavirus Thread - mod note post 23 & 541

[Bondurant]

The new hotspots are Texas, Arizona and Florida, states that were not liberal hotbeds but will hopefully vote Trump out of office due to his vast incompetence on dealing with the pandemic.

We'll see how that shakes out. I'll be voting for Jorgensen. Most of my family and friends in MI will be voting for Trump (most voting GOP for the first time) because of Whitmer. It will be interesting to see how COVID shapes the election.

 

[RabidBadger]

There's beautiful hockey hair in Australian Football League.

The greezy stache brings it all together. He looks like someone who would drive a van with a mattress in the back.

 

[Bench]

The greezy stache brings it all together. He looks like someone who would drive a van with a mattress in the back.

There are guys you need to warn your daughter about. This isn't him.

But you better damn well watch your mom around this one.

 

[Bondurant]

The greezy stache brings it all together. He looks like someone who would drive a van with a mattress in the back.

A few years ago there was a creepy rape wagon that was always in the parking lot at work. From time to time it would move. People would complain about it all the time and others would joke about the Silence of the Lambs. For some reason it was never towed. Finally some guy was fired and he had to make arrangements to pick up a vehicle he had been leaving on property. It was the rape wagon. I got to watch it drive off site. Sadly this kat didn't have a mullet or greasy stache.

 

[FabricDetails]

But you better damn well watch your mom around this one.

 

[MBH]

The new hotspots are Texas, Arizona and Florida, states that were not liberal hotbeds but will hopefully vote Trump out of office due to his vast incompetence on dealing with the pandemic.

Wouldn't count on it. The counties hardest hit are blue.
Low-income, high-density usually means blue.

That said, the only thing keep Trump in the race was the economy, and the economy is toast. Stock market won't win an election.

 

[Winger98]

There's beautiful hockey hair in Australian Football League.

Someone probably was a bit heartbroken at the end of last season's Stranger Things

 

[Gniwder]

So I'm looking at the Caps' roster, 34 players. Each team is allowed 31 players to the "bubble". (They plan to cut 3 obviously.)
Washington Capitals announce the 34 players who will participate in training camp ahead of the 2020 playoffs

So here's the thing, we have no AHL but these "playoff" teams get training camp, "pre-season" games, practices, and coaching which is obviously good for player development. In the meantime, the teams that need development the most got screwed....

 

[Run the Jewels]

Someone probably was a bit heartbroken at the end of last season's Stranger Things

Ha ha, this is exactly the character I thought of when I saw the original post.

 

[Red Stanley]

The virus has been politicized, but it's largely Trump's fault as he politicizes everything. Usually I don't care, but he has completely downplayed the virus and has constantly pushed to open up with no planning whatsoever. He's called it a hoax, said it would go from 15 cases to 0 cases, it would magically disappear in the summer heat, that citizens should "liberate" their states and now he is extorting school districts to open up in the fall.

We did a pretty decent job shutting down in March and April and appeared to have flattened the curve. The next goal should have been to require facemasks in public and to set up a contact tracing app to notify you if you came within 6 feet of someone who ended up getting sick. That never happened. Trump politicized the use of masks saying if you wore one you were against him. His base still feels like requiring them to wear a mask infringes on their personal freedoms. I'm guessing a decent chunk of his base will avoid being vaccinated.

Most first world countries have done a good job controlling the spread. Half Witmer LOLOLOL has made the sensible decision to require businesses to enforce mask use while people are inside their business. That's a good way to go about opening up the economy while trying to stop the spread of the virus. Will Trump supporters agree to this minor inconvenience, or will they show up to stores armed and maskless? I do fully expect that to happen.

Trump has completely bungled the containment of the virus and has actually made it much worse, so has his buddy Jair Bolsonaro.

Excuse me if I don't find your political takes credible, when you're still willing to throw out the "hoax" line, which was debunked the moment it made a splash in the proverbial toilet that's become political discourse. That said, let's dive a little deeper into the toilet, shall we.

The executive branch doesn't have the authority to impose a face mask requirement, nor set up a tracing app, nor make vaccinations mandatory. If the federal government wished to acquire such powers, it would have to start with congress, not the president, whose office is just one of the branches of government that can't decide everything unilaterally as you suggest. Individual states are largely responsible for how they handle closures and reopenings, not the feds. This isn't someone's opinion. It's the law of the land. Time and multiple lawsuits will tell whether states had the right to extend their power even further with a lot of those mandates.

And speaking of state governments, Whitmer, along with the governors of NY, NJ and CA, is directly responsible for thousands of deaths by requiring nursing homes to take in known covid patients. It's one of the biggest, if not the biggest pandemic story so far, imo. Where's the righteous outrage about that? What about the mass protests (not to mention the rioting and vandalism) that magically happen to coincide with the spike in cases? I guess we'll chalk it up to "mistakes were made" and move on, nothing to see here, back to your regularly scheduled orange man bad programming.

The US and Brazil are doing much better than Belgium, a country with some of the strictest lockdowns, in the very important deaths per million statistic. The US is also doing better than the UK, Spain, Italy, Sweden and France. The Netherlands, with their lax restrictions, is doing better than all of these countries and Brazil is doing better than the Netherlands. Unless you can site specific and scientifically proven examples supporting your claims, I will chalk it up to you politicizing the issue.

 

[Hen Kolland]

The Netherlands, with their lax restrictions, is doing better than all of these countries

You do have to think that the reason a country like the Netherlands can be doing better (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here, because I don't know, nor do I care to fact check) may be largely attributed to the fact that they don't treat each other like pieces of shit.

We live in a society that is one giant game of chicken. The unstoppable "utilitarians" vs. the unbreakable "stoics". The obsession is rooted in proving other people wrong because that is the essential win. It's not about doing the right thing and being good to one another. It's being able to say "I told you so" about overreacting, or being able to get virtual high fives because you recorded a man who broke the rules.

Arguing that something is politicized, is to participate in the politicizing. Just be a good person, and I'd like to believe that we all know what that entails.

"Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Be one."

 

[Winger98]

You do have to think that the reason a country like the Netherlands can be doing better (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here, because I don't know, nor do I care to fact check) may be largely attributed to the fact that they don't treat each other like pieces of shit.

We live in a society that is one giant game of chicken. The unstoppable "utilitarians" vs. the unbreakable "stoics". The obsession is rooted in proving other people wrong because that is the essential win. It's not about doing the right thing and being good to one another. It's being able to say "I told you so" about overreacting, or being able to get virtual high fives because you recorded a man who broke the rules.

Arguing that something is politicized, is to participate in the politicizing. Just be a good person, and I'd like to believe that we all know what that entails.

"Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Be one."

Meh. I think it has more to do with things like population density, knowledge of the disease when it happened, etc. As it is, all of the countries Red named have an uglier deaths per 1M number right now, but their weekly averages have fallen through the floor. We've been losing around 5K a week pretty steadily for awhile now. Keep it up and we'll overtake france's rate by Aug 1st, and probably Spain, UK, Italy, and Sweden by the 1st of November.

It's why tooting our horn right now is something that probably won't age well. those other countries had far rougher starts for a variety of reasons, but have done a far better job of reining it in. Local governments here are doing the best they can, and these later states should have a step up on Michigan and New York just because they are getting it later and have a better idea what to expect and how to plan for it. Maybe they could have done better if our federal government had proven up to the task of providing the support and structure needed for it, but it is what it is.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Excuse me if I don't find your political takes credible, when you're still willing to throw out the "hoax" line, which was debunked the moment it made a splash in the proverbial toilet that's become political discourse. That said, let's dive a little deeper into the toilet, shall we.

The executive branch doesn't have the authority to impose a face mask requirement, nor set up a tracing app, nor make vaccinations mandatory. If the federal government wished to acquire such powers, it would have to start with congress, not the president, whose office is just one of the branches of government that can't decide everything unilaterally as you suggest. Individual states are largely responsible for how they handle closures and reopenings, not the feds. This isn't someone's opinion. It's the law of the land. Time and multiple lawsuits will tell whether states had the right to extend their power even further with a lot of those mandates.

And speaking of state governments, Whitmer, along with the governors of NY, NJ and CA, is directly responsible for thousands of deaths by requiring nursing homes to take in known covid patients. It's one of the biggest, if not the biggest pandemic story so far, imo. Where's the righteous outrage about that? What about the mass protests (not to mention the rioting and vandalism) that magically happen to coincide with the spike in cases? I guess we'll chalk it up to "mistakes were made" and move on, nothing to see here, back to your regularly scheduled orange man bad programming.

The US and Brazil are doing much better than Belgium, a country with some of the strictest lockdowns, in the very important deaths per million statistic. The US is also doing better than the UK, Spain, Italy, Sweden and France. The Netherlands, with their lax restrictions, is doing better than all of these countries and Brazil is doing better than the Netherlands. Unless you can site specific and scientifically proven examples supporting your claims, I will chalk it up to you politicizing the issue.

This morning Donald Trump just retweeted Chuck Woolery basically saying Covid-19 is no big deal:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most ,that we are told to trust. I think it&#39;s all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I&#39;m sick of it.</p>&mdash; Chuck Woolery (@chuckwoolery) <a href="">July 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Did Trump say it was 15 cases in the US and soon it would go down to 0? He consistently downplayed the threat because he didn't care. If he did he could have very easily pushed mask use and contact tracing. Instead he worked to actively undermine mask use. Hell he's pushing opening up schools by extorting school districts by saying they will receive no funding if they distance learn this fall. His coronavirus updates where basically live commercials for My Pillow and a bunch of other random Fox News advertisers.

Three's a big difference between making good faith decisions that ended up being wrong due to ignorance - which was clearly the case in the early days in New York - and persistently pushing a false narrative, which is what Trump has done for 5 months. Liberate your states was not a good faith effort, it was made to push opening up the economy when we had just started to flatten the curve. Pushing students to schools when the virus is flaring up again in the US will have obvious consequences.

Trump doesn't care about you. He doens't care about your family or your community. All he wants is to open up the economy and he doesn't care how many people have to die in order for that to happen.

 

[newfy]

Most of the time I can find some kind of common ground or empathize for why people have different perspectives, but when I see this kind of statement regarding perhaps the smallest possible inconvenience to your life...

The sheer indifference and lack of compassion is genuinely stunning.

Its baffling to me too. Wont wear a mask but are pissed things wont go back to normal. If people bought into wearing masks itwould be so much easier to get things opened back up again and running normally. MBH cares about bars being able to open or restaurants or gyms blah blah blah but is banging the no mask drum as hard as anyone. Its crazy how little logic there is in that stance. It is so easy to throw a mask on in a grocery store for 45 mins, even if it only helps reduce spread by 30 or 40 percent it will still help.

So many Americans are so selfish, being raised in a me me me culture that they dont give a f*** about anyone else and its showing right now. Countries with more socialist attitudes and caring about others are doing much better than the States and despite the ridiculous difference in the numbers people are still thinking masks are some kind of conspiracy theory

 

[Run the Jewels]

The US and Brazil are doing much better than Belgium, a country with some of the strictest lockdowns, in the very important deaths per million statistic. The US is also doing better than the UK, Spain, Italy, Sweden and France. The Netherlands, with their lax restrictions, is doing better than all of these countries and Brazil is doing better than the Netherlands. Unless you can site specific and scientifically proven examples supporting your claims, I will chalk it up to you politicizing the issue.

Good job pulling the Netherlands off a worldometer map. If randomly pulling a country off a worldometer table and calling one specific stat important isn't politicizing an issue I don't know what is. Is this the latest Fox News talking point? All I know for sure is the Netherlands has done a very poor job of testing per 1 million citizens. I don't claim expertise on the Netherlands - I've never paid any attention to their Covid-19 cases. Of course I have no interest in politicizing the virus, merely pointing out how incompetent Donald Trump has been in handling the virus and his pathetic efforts to reduce the spread of the virus.

 

[Claypool]

Of course I have no interest in politicizing the virus, merely pointing out how incompetent Donald Trump has been in handling the virus and his pathetic efforts to reduce the spread of the virus.

What would you like him to do?

 

[Red Stanley]

You do have to think that the reason a country like the Netherlands can be doing better (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here, because I don't know, nor do I care to fact check) may be largely attributed to the fact that they don't treat each other like pieces of shit.

We live in a society that is one giant game of chicken. The unstoppable "utilitarians" vs. the unbreakable "stoics". The obsession is rooted in proving other people wrong because that is the essential win. It's not about doing the right thing and being good to one another. It's being able to say "I told you so" about overreacting, or being able to get virtual high fives because you recorded a man who broke the rules.

Arguing that something is politicized, is to participate in the politicizing. Just be a good person, and I'd like to believe that we all know what that entails.

"Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Be one."

I'm willing to bet that one day when we have a clearer picture of current events we'll find out that the reasons why some countries did better than others are numerous and have little or nothing to do with politics.

 

[FabricDetails]

Navigating through the baiting posts in this thread be like...

 

[Run the Jewels]

What would you like him to do?

Follow the lead of China and South Korea. Hell, Europe got off to a horrific start and has flattened the curve to where now the EPL can play games - without fans. New York taught us that long term health care facilities for the elderly were likely to result in a large percentage of deaths and after 5 months guess what? Those same facilities are getting decimated in Texas and Florida. But yes, let's criticize New York when they knew nothing but say nothing about what's happening in Texas and Florida 5 months later.

Instead the GOP is hedging on passing another stimulus package. The goal is open everything up and hope for the best. We haven't even hit the second wave yet. Studies out of the UK and China suggest immunity doesn't last more than a couple months and the second infection is more deadly than the first. Given what we've learned over the past 5 months I have no idea how anyone can have no concerns about what this virus will do to the country over the upcoming fall and winter.

We were very, very bad on testing early on. Mick Mulvaney just tweeted out that he cannot get his children tested, so we are still nowhere near as good at testing as we need to be. Five months later and one of Trump's former staffers is having trouble getting his kids tested.

So lets's start with when we shut down the economy and flattened the curve. The problem is we didn't promote use of face masks when outside of our home and in particular around crowds of other people where social distancing wasn't possible. Google and Apple created contact tracing APIs but they have yet to be rolled out. Trump added fuel to the fire by riling up his base to "liberate" their states. That put enormous pressure on states to open back up, so Trump made it clear he didn't care what the states were doing, he had his own agenda.

If Trump took this seriously - which he hasn't, this is indisputable - he could have pushed the following once it became clear this was a real threat that needed to be taken seriously (ie, back in March and April):

• Demand that businesses require facemasks for anyone who works for or enters a business and limit capacity to adhere to social distancing. These businesses where given loans, it would be easy enough to attach this to accepting money.
• Push to develop a contact tracing app. Again, federal funds could be tied to developing a contact tracing app or he could have had "the Federal" create one.
• Provide additional stimulus to areas that are hard hit by Covid-19 in order to make it easier to shelter in place until the virus is contained and no longer present in order to mitigate spread.
• Rinse and repeat until we have an effective vaccine.

You could do all of this beginning in April or May and we'd be where much of Europe and the rest of the civilized world is right now. But Trump doesn't care. He didn't have any interest in doing the hard work of being president of the United States. So now the virus is exploding all over the country and it is much more difficult to contain. Fox News played a major role in playing down the virus. That's why they fired Trish Regan. They have lawyers and they understand how culpable they would be if they continued to push the narrative that Donald Trump just retweeted this morning from Chuck Woolery, ie the virus is no big deal and is just being used to hurt him. We have 1/4 of all worldwide cases and deaths but yes, it is all about trying to hurt Trump. Give me a break.

Trump doesn't care about you, your state or your loved ones.

 

[Claypool]

Follow the lead of China and South Korea. Hell, Europe got off to a horrific start and has flattened the curve to where now the EPL can play games - without fans. New York taught us that long term health care facilities for the elderly were likely to result in a large percentage of deaths and after 5 months guess what? Those same facilities are getting decimated in Texas and Florida. But yes, let's criticize New York when they knew nothing but say nothing about what's happening in Texas and Florida 5 months later.

Instead the GOP is hedging on passing another stimulus package. The goal is open everything up and hope for the best. We haven't even hit the second wave yet. Studies out of the UK and China suggest immunity doesn't last more than a couple months and the second infection is more deadly than the first. Given what we've learned over the past 5 months I have no idea how anyone can have no concerns about what this virus will do to the country over the upcoming fall and winter.

We were very, very bad on testing early on. Mick Mulvaney just tweeted out that he cannot get his children tested, so we are still nowhere near as good at testing as we need to be. Five months later and one of Trump's former staffers is having trouble getting his kids tested.

So lets's start with when we shut down the economy and flattened the curve. The problem is we didn't promote use of face masks when outside of our home and in particular around crowds of other people where social distancing wasn't possible. Google and Apple created contact tracing APIs but they have yet to be rolled out. Trump added fuel to the fire by riling up his base to "liberate" their states. That put enormous pressure on states to open back up, so Trump made it clear he didn't care what the states were doing, he had his own agenda.

If Trump took this seriously - which he hasn't, this is indisputable - he could have pushed the following once it became clear this was a real threat that needed to be taken seriously (ie, back in March and April):

• Demand that businesses require facemasks for anyone who works for or enters a business and limit capacity to adhere to social distancing. These businesses where given loans, it would be easy enough to attach this to accepting money.
• Push to develop a contact tracing app. Again, federal funds could be tied to developing a contact tracing app or he could have had "the Federal" create one.
• Provide additional stimulus to areas that are hard hit by Covid-19 in order to make it easier to shelter in place until the virus is contained and no longer present in order to mitigate spread.
• Rinse and repeat until we have an effective vaccine.

You could do all of this beginning in April or May and we'd be where much of Europe and the rest of the civilized world is right now. But Trump doesn't care. He didn't have any interest in doing the hard work of being president of the United States. So now the virus is exploding all over the country and it is much more difficult to contain. Fox News played a major role in playing down the virus. That's why they fired Trish Regan. They have lawyers and they understand how culpable they would be if they continued to push the narrative that Donald Trump just retweeted this morning from Chuck Woolery, ie the virus is no big deal and is just being used to hurt him. We have 1/4 of all worldwide cases and deaths but yes, it is all about trying to hurt Trump. Give me a break.

Trump doesn't care about you, your state or your loved ones.

I stopped reading after the first five words. Not even going to finish the rest.

 

[Red Stanley]

This morning Donald Trump just retweeted Chuck Woolery basically saying Covid-19 is no big deal:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most ,that we are told to trust. I think it&#39;s all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I&#39;m sick of it.</p>&mdash; Chuck Woolery (@chuckwoolery) <a href="">July 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Did Trump say it was 15 cases in the US and soon it would go down to 0? He consistently downplayed the threat because he didn't care. If he did he could have very easily pushed mask use and contact tracing. Instead he worked to actively undermine mask use. Hell he's pushing opening up schools by extorting school districts by saying they will receive no funding if they distance learn this fall. His coronavirus updates where basically live commercials for My Pillow and a bunch of other random Fox News advertisers.

How did he work to undermine mask use? I've heard medical expert after medical expert contradict each other and sometimes themselves on the effectiveness of masks. It's hard not looking at this with skepticism. I still wear mine out of pure precaution, but was never in support of government mandating them. On the subject of school funding, again, the executive branch can't unilaterally cut school funding, even if Trump personally wanted to. It's an empty threat as the majority of school funding comes from the state, not the federal government anyway. What's he extorting the schools with then?

Three's a big difference between making good faith decisions that ended up being wrong due to ignorance - which was clearly the case in the early days in New York - and persistently pushing a false narrative, which is what Trump has done for 5 months. Liberate your states was not a good faith effort, it was made to push opening up the economy when we had just started to flatten the curve. Pushing students to schools when the virus is flaring up again in the US will have obvious consequences.

CDC guidelines at the time explicitly stated that the sick and elderly were most at risk of dying. It would take a massive leap of faith to just assume NY state officials acted out of sheer ignorance and incompetence and that their boss knew absolutely nothing about it, while taking his sweet time putting an end to all the gross, but honest, stupidity and incompetence exhibited by others in his cabinet who were clearly not him. Or we can look at NY's budget deficit even prior to the outbreak and how elderly care was putting a huge strain on said budget and start investigating and asking tough questions. At least that's what journalists would be doing - if there were any still left in mainstream media - instead of feeding the public talking points and catch phrases to throw at each other as if they meant anything.

Trump doesn't care about you. He doens't care about your family or your community. All he wants is to open up the economy and he doesn't care how many people have to die in order for that to happen.

Case in point. All that's missing is #Biden('sVP)2020

 

[Red Stanley]

Good job pulling the Netherlands off a worldometer map. If randomly pulling a country off a worldometer table and calling one specific stat important isn't politicizing an issue I don't know what is. Is this the latest Fox News talking point? All I know for sure is the Netherlands has done a very poor job of testing per 1 million citizens. I don't claim expertise on the Netherlands - I've never paid any attention to their Covid-19 cases. Of course I have no interest in politicizing the virus, merely pointing out how incompetent Donald Trump has been in handling the virus and his pathetic efforts to reduce the spread of the virus.

You claimed other first world countries are doing great and the US and Brazil are doing poorly in comparison, backed by nothing other than your personal opinion. I gave you a statistical counterpoint. You can choose to ignore it if you like. Here are some more stats: other than China and their dubious numbers, the US has done the most testing out of anyone else. That's almost twice as many as Russia, which comes next. More testing, more cases, death rate still steadily falling or remaining relatively low. I'd still like to see the metric you use to determine the level of incompetence.

Here are the source materials I used:
Coronavirus deaths per million by country | Statista
COVID-19 tests by country | Statista
Graphic: Coronavirus deaths in the U.S., per day

As you can see, none of them are Fox News.

 

[Red Stanley]

Follow the lead of China and South Korea. Hell, Europe got off to a horrific start and has flattened the curve to where now the EPL can play games - without fans. New York taught us that long term health care facilities for the elderly were likely to result in a large percentage of deaths and after 5 months guess what? Those same facilities are getting decimated in Texas and Florida. But yes, let's criticize New York when they knew nothing but say nothing about what's happening in Texas and Florida 5 months later.

Instead the GOP is hedging on passing another stimulus package. The goal is open everything up and hope for the best. We haven't even hit the second wave yet. Studies out of the UK and China suggest immunity doesn't last more than a couple months and the second infection is more deadly than the first. Given what we've learned over the past 5 months I have no idea how anyone can have no concerns about what this virus will do to the country over the upcoming fall and winter.

We were very, very bad on testing early on. Mick Mulvaney just tweeted out that he cannot get his children tested, so we are still nowhere near as good at testing as we need to be. Five months later and one of Trump's former staffers is having trouble getting his kids tested.

So lets's start with when we shut down the economy and flattened the curve. The problem is we didn't promote use of face masks when outside of our home and in particular around crowds of other people where social distancing wasn't possible. Google and Apple created contact tracing APIs but they have yet to be rolled out. Trump added fuel to the fire by riling up his base to "liberate" their states. That put enormous pressure on states to open back up, so Trump made it clear he didn't care what the states were doing, he had his own agenda.

If Trump took this seriously - which he hasn't, this is indisputable - he could have pushed the following once it became clear this was a real threat that needed to be taken seriously (ie, back in March and April):

• Demand that businesses require facemasks for anyone who works for or enters a business and limit capacity to adhere to social distancing. These businesses where given loans, it would be easy enough to attach this to accepting money.
• Push to develop a contact tracing app. Again, federal funds could be tied to developing a contact tracing app or he could have had "the Federal" create one.
• Provide additional stimulus to areas that are hard hit by Covid-19 in order to make it easier to shelter in place until the virus is contained and no longer present in order to mitigate spread.
• Rinse and repeat until we have an effective vaccine.

You could do all of this beginning in April or May and we'd be where much of Europe and the rest of the civilized world is right now. But Trump doesn't care. He didn't have any interest in doing the hard work of being president of the United States. So now the virus is exploding all over the country and it is much more difficult to contain. Fox News played a major role in playing down the virus. That's why they fired Trish Regan. They have lawyers and they understand how culpable they would be if they continued to push the narrative that Donald Trump just retweeted this morning from Chuck Woolery, ie the virus is no big deal and is just being used to hurt him. We have 1/4 of all worldwide cases and deaths but yes, it is all about trying to hurt Trump. Give me a break.

Trump doesn't care about you, your state or your loved ones.

A few points:
1. Using Chinese numbers and/or suggestions on the matter does the opposite of strengthen your argument.
2. Let me dispute your indisputable claim of Trump not taking the virus seriously - the US restricted travel from China back in January amid media, local political opposition and much of Europe calling Trump xenophobic. I wonder if you remember what your opinion of the virus was back then.
3. Some have branded Trump a tyrant, yet many of the same people want him to be more authoritative when it aligns with their political views. No thanks. How about less authoritative leaders period.
4. As far as I know there is no vaccine for any corona virus. Rinse and repeat till vaccine essentially means forever. Economically speaking, a locked down economy can't sustain continued stimulus packages.
5. For someone who bemoans the politicizing of the virus, you sure do a lot of that.

 

[Electric Eric]

I stopped reading after the first five words. Not even going to finish the rest.

Oh no! Communist country is bad. Therefore EVERYTHING ever done by them scary commies is bad and we shouldn't look to learn ANYTHING from them....

 

[jkutswings]

I don't care who votes for whom. In the midst of a global pandemic, somebody please provide me one quote from The Leader of the Free World that can be classified as unifying or inclusive or inspiring or an otherwise positive example of leadership.

Because I just don't see it.

Are every one of the governors doing a good job? No way. And there's been mistakes and blunders at every level from local to federal. But there's absolutely zero place for this, "I'm awesome; anybody against me is against America" nonsense in this situation.