Coronavirus discussion thread (no political debates) VII

[kb]

None of what you posted from that site said anything about taking rights and freedoms and taking away your possessions. That part is the stuff I think people come up with to understand why some businesses are closed and we have to wear masks and social distancing

Did you watch the linked video? Obviously not. It's literally the first point 5 seconds in. "You will own nothing, and you will be happy. You will rent everything." Explain how an entire society gets to a point where no one has any possessions, and everything needs to be rented back. And #8 "Western values will have been tested to the breaking point". There is absolutely no rosy way to frame that. Basically, it's saying they will continue to do things until people give up resisting.

As I said, some people wish to substitute their own version of reality because the alternative is too scary for some to contemplate. And that is OK. But it needs to at least be understood. For the record, I am hoping I am 100% wrong about my interpretation. Having said that, I don't think I am.

What if the people don't want any of this? I know I don't.

Since the facts of what they hope to accomplish won't convince you, I guess there is nothing really left to discuss. Enjoy your day!

 

[Nineteen67]

They work with a combination of social distancing. I understand you see cases rising ever since masks have been mandated so they must not work. Right? Masks don't work 100% but with social distancing it does work. What I believe is happening is it's spreading from places where people don't wear masks. Look back a few months ago, 40 cases traced back to a wedding where no was wearing masks. Those people catch Covid, bring it home and it spreads there.

Have you tried pink sunglasses with social distancing? That may work.

 

[stealth1]

But rights are being taken away. Whether the two are related is obviously debatable.

I don't think the two are related at all.

 

[stealth1]

Did you watch the linked video? Obviously not. It's literally the first point 5 seconds in. "You will own nothing, and you will be happy. You will rent everything." Explain how an entire society gets to a point where no one has any possessions, and everything needs to be rented back. And #8 "Western values will have been tested to the breaking point". There is absolutely no rosy way to frame that. Basically, it's saying they will continue to do things until people give up resisting

As I said, some people wish to substitute their own version of reality because the alternative is too scary for some to contemplate. And that is OK. But it needs to at least be understood. For the record, I am hoping I am 100% wrong about my interpretation. Having said that, I don't think I am.

What if the people don't want any of this? I know I don't.

Since the facts of what they hope to accomplish won't convince you, I guess there is nothing really left to discuss. Enjoy your day!

I did watch that video and think it's pure propaganda. I don't see a time where they are going to take everything away from you. If you say all that is going to happen does that mean no more vacations. We all just work and go home.

Another reason I have a hard time believing any of this is how much you have to look to find any of what you post.

 

[Jojalu]

I did watch that video and think it's pure propaganda. I don't see a time where they are going to take everything away from you. If you say all that is going to happen does that mean no more vacations. We all just work and go home.

Another reason I have a hard time believing any of this is how much you have to look to find any of what you post.

The reset seems to be a global initiative to become less reliant on fossil fuels, and reward companies and people for decreasing their carbon footprint.

It briefly talks about limiting big companies who take government bailout money from handing out bonuses, or buying back stocks with the money they have received.

Somehow it has turned into a Debt forgiveness program, and a UBI program where we abolish the monetary system we know and the new government hands out credits, where you must use them in certain time frames and on what the government tells you in order for the economy to function.

 

[stealth1]

The reset seems to be a global initiative to become less reliant on fossil fuels, and reward companies and people for decreasing their carbon footprint.

It briefly talks about limiting big companies who take government bailout money from handing out bonuses, or buying back stocks with the money they have received.

Somehow it has turned into a Debt forgiveness program, and a UBI program where we abolish the monetary system we know and the new government hands out credits, where you must use them in certain time frames and on what the government tells you in order for the economy to function.

That's what I took from the reset too. I see nothing wrong with doing that. They have trying to that for awhile now. Like I said before, too many are looking for reasons why things are the way they are.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

The only reset i need is on my clocks spring and fall haha. Other than that I’m good thanks. Or the reset on the hook when I’m reeling in a fish. I think thats it for resets for me. If i can think of any others I’ll let myself know

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I don't think the two are related at all.

Understood and that's a reasonable position.

 

[Mickey Marner]

The only reset i need is on my clocks spring and fall haha. Other than that I’m good thanks. Or the reset on the hook when I’m reeling in a fish. I think thats it for resets for me. If i can think of any others I’ll let myself know

Hopefully not for much longer. Just need to get QC and NY on board and we can be on DST permanently.

www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5817215

 

[stealth1]

Understood and that's a reasonable position.

Did you read what Jojalu posted? That's what the great reset is. I hope that happens. Less reliant on fossil fuels and limiting how much bonuses can be handed out if given bail out money. I don't see any issue with that. That is far from the takeover that many believe to happen

 

[kb]

The reset seems to be a global initiative to become less reliant on fossil fuels, and reward companies and people for decreasing their carbon footprint.

Cool. What is their plan to do this? Don't see it. But it's coming in less than a decade.

It briefly talks about limiting big companies who take government bailout money from handing out bonuses, or buying back stocks with the money they have received.

What government? This will be a worldwide globalist society. Does the EU ring a bell to anyone?

Somehow it has turned into a Debt forgiveness program, and a UBI program where we abolish the monetary system we know and the new government hands out credits, where you must use them in certain time frames and on what the government tells you in order for the economy to function.

You said this part.

But remind me again why it is imperative that we give up all our possessions just to have to rent back what I once owned? ("You will own nothing, and be happy. You will rent everything") You kinda hand picked parts you could explain, and left out the others (as all seem do). Does this sound like a free and democratic society to you? Or even logical?

So it sounds like we have lots of people who are willing to blindly trust all governments in cahoots with all the biggest companies and richest people to tell us what to do, how to do it, and when to do it?

Love live democracy I guess.....oh shit, whoops.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Realistically "the great reset" would require having America and probably China on board in order to become anything more than propaganda and some mild changes on a global scale. I do think CERB basically transitions into a full-time UBI though as fallout from the prolonged restrictions.

 

[stealth1]

Cool. What is their plan to do this? Don't see it. But it's coming in less than a decade.



What government? This will be a worldwide globalist society. Does the EU ring a bell to anyone?



You said this part.

But remind me again why it is imperative that we give up all our possessions just to have to rent back what I once owned? ("You will own nothing, and be happy. You will rent everything") You kinda hand picked parts you could explain, and left out the others (as all seem do). Does this sound like a free and democratic society to you? Or even logical?

So it sounds like we have lots of people who are willing to blindly trust all governments in cahoots with all the biggest companies and richest people to tell us what to do, how to do it, and when to do it?

Love live democracy I guess.....oh shit, whoops.

That video you posted wasn't made by the Great Economic people. No where on their site does it mention taking away your possessions. It only talks about the environmental stuff.

 

[kb]

Realistically "the great reset" would require having America and probably China on board in order to become anything more than propaganda and some mild changes on a global scale. I do think CERB basically transitions into a full-time UBI though as fallout from the prolonged restrictions.

Absolutely correct on both points I feel.

 

[Jojalu]

Cool. What is their plan to do this? Don't see it. But it's coming in less than a decade.



What government? This will be a worldwide globalist society. Does the EU ring a bell to anyone?



You said this part.

But remind me again why it is imperative that we give up all our possessions just to have to rent back what I once owned? ("You will own nothing, and be happy. You will rent everything") You kinda hand picked parts you could explain, and left out the others (as all seem do). Does this sound like a free and democratic society to you? Or even logical?

So it sounds like we have lots of people who are willing to blindly trust all governments in cahoots with all the biggest companies and richest people to tell us what to do, how to do it, and when to do it?

Love live democracy I guess.....oh shit, whoops.

Lol. What?

There is a massive difference from trusting what is going on, and wandering down a path that is filled with holes and theories.

I have watched a dozen seperate videos, and read tonnes of articles on this subject.

You do realise this is not factual, but a theory.

The world is not planning on taking your possessions. The only tconcept that has ever been discussed, and cast away was the debt forgiveness program.

You would be absolved of all debt if you agreed to lose ownership of your house/car etc.

First, you would need to agree. Second, it isn't happening

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Did you read what Jojalu posted? That's what the great reset is. I hope that happens. Less reliant on fossil fuels and limiting how much bonuses can be handed out if given bail out money. I don't see any issue with that. That is far from the takeover that many believe to happen

I have different opinions but that's not what this thread is about.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

You've been locked down less then a week. It takes time to see a difference. Its going to take a few weeks to see changes. Look at Australia, it took them 28 days to get to 0 cases. Now they are reopening with little restrictions.

Does Australia still allow international flights? That's the part of the lockdown thing that I think makes it all useless. If you're still going to allow people to come into your country and have no way of making them isolate for 14days...then its just swatting at flies IMO. Our land border with the USA is closed...but flights still continue. I went to Texas in august and had to isolate for 14 days...I did it..but how many others don't?

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Did you read what Jojalu posted? That's what the great reset is. I hope that happens. Less reliant on fossil fuels and limiting how much bonuses can be handed out if given bail out money. I don't see any issue with that. That is far from the takeover that many believe to happen

Did you watch the Michael Moore film Planet of the Humans that was out in the spring? He dug into the whole green energy business and guess who he found sitting at the very top of it? Big Oil...yup...they are opening gas plants every time they do a wind farm or solar farm and kill a coal plant. This is just extra $$$ for them. That's why they barely argue about climate change...they are making big money off it. And the bail outs will always continue...our system is built to help the huge corps...the small guy...screw him....the bigger you are..the more you get.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Realistically "the great reset" would require having America and probably China on board in order to become anything more than propaganda and some mild changes on a global scale. I do think CERB basically transitions into a full-time UBI though as fallout from the prolonged restrictions.

If Canada decides to do a UBI and no other country in the G7 does...we are in serious trouble. We will have a dollar worth about $0.30 to the USD. We cannot print money at will like the USA does..we don't have the reserve currency status to be able to. Nobody wants CAD unless they are buying stuff from us unlike the USD where 60% of all international trade is conducted in USD. We can't do what we're doing and get away with it...its going to get really bad if we go down that road.

 

[Kiwi]

Even though I'm skeptical about our Covid measures as a whole, I have no problem wearing a mask. If that's what it takes to get back to normal as fast as possible, I'm good with it.

I think mask wearing may do more harm than good

You need the right type of mask and it needs to be worn and cleaned correctly to be of benefit, there's a reason medical professionals take classes on how to use and fit PPE properly and if it isn't correct you may end up spreading germs rather than curtailing them

The problem as I see it is if the general public think masks are more effective than they are they are going to be more inclined to take unnecessary risks that they wouldn't take if they weren't wearing masks in the first place

That's something that I don't think we've done enough study or research on during the pandemic

 

[SlpLessInMuskoka18]

That's why they targetted anti maskers right away... people have been hurt and killed over not wearing a useless mask.

The Govt knew this was air borne since August... and denied it until recently.

The Govt also funded the device that tracks covid since then.. its weird.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Lol. What?

There is a massive difference from trusting what is going on, and wandering down a path that is filled with holes and theories.

I have watched a dozen seperate videos, and read tonnes of articles on this subject.

You do realise this is not factual, but a theory.

The world is not planning on taking your possessions. The only tconcept that has ever been discussed, and cast away was the debt forgiveness program.

You would be absolved of all debt if you agreed to lose ownership of your house/car etc.

First, you would need to agree. Second, it isn't happening

Well thats smart of them because theys in for a world of disappointment if thats their plan is all i have to say on that. I’ll be old and won’t give a sh!t and a life sentence gets less all the time ha. I’d be a nasty deal to put against the wall and I’m definitely sure i would have lots of company.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Did you watch the Michael Moore film Planet of the Humans that was out in the spring? He dug into the whole green energy business and guess who he found sitting at the very top of it? Big Oil...yup...they are opening gas plants every time they do a wind farm or solar farm and kill a coal plant. This is just extra $$$ for them. That's why they barely argue about climate change...they are making big money off it. And the bail outs will always continue...our system is built to help the huge corps...the small guy...screw him....the bigger you are..the more you get.

Oh i never seen that. I love Michael Moore. He’s so slick and funny

 

[Gabriel426]

Does Australia still allow international flights? That's the part of the lockdown thing that I think makes it all useless. If you're still going to allow people to come into your country and have no way of making them isolate for 14days...then its just swatting at flies IMO. Our land border with the USA is closed...but flights still continue. I went to Texas in august and had to isolate for 14 days...I did it..but how many others don't?

I think it is not so much of international flights but testing and tracking-14 days.
My cousin went to HK two months ago due to business and she along with everyone on her flight waited 19 hours at the HK airport in order to wait for their test results, then not only did they need to download a tracing app, they were also handed out a bracelet(like the ones in Hospital), and its showed as a sign these people should be isolated for 14 days. The Govt even provided hotel rooms for them to stay. If the medical worker see the bracelet is cutoff when they come to collect it in 14 days, you will be in jail-no questions ask.
Then when she comes back to Vancouver, there is test at arrival and then never heard a word from CDC or the govt or tracers.
Not sure about you, but one City is certainly doing a whole lot more to prevent it from spreading while the other is going with the homie system.
Then you have Australia, this might sound make up but that’s what happened to my friend, she was travelling in the pacific islands during March when every countries started to lockdown. She was stranded on an island outside Fiji or Somoa, so finally when the borders started to reopen, she managed to get into Aus. and awaiting to transfer out to HK, but the moment the govt knew her transfer flight is in 2 days, she was picked up by the police and CDC and sent to one of the govt designated hotel. FYI, the police and CDC were very polite and nice. She even made jokes about having police escort in a good way. I don’t see Canada and the US ever doing that.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Did you read what Jojalu posted? That's what the great reset is. I hope that happens. Less reliant on fossil fuels and limiting how much bonuses can be handed out if given bail out money. I don't see any issue with that. That is far from the takeover that many believe to happen

Less reliant on a huge part of Canada’s economy is what you want. Thats some very serious indoctrination you got there. Oil is in everything. Easily can be used and cleaner tech to do it is very doable. Protectionism and by Canadian and local is such a simple principle to go along with building up our tech and manufacturing. Just buy North American is fine with me. Lets build it here. Everyone is getting sideways. Progression should not ever be called a reset. We aren’t failures as the word so very strongly suggests. We are stagnated some. So lets progress and protect the north American economy. Crazy talk kill oil. Really man its terrible