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Svechhammer

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Do you know why they expect this? Just following numbers, well placed source, or something else?
For my company, we're big enough in the area to have gotten a heads up before the announcement

As for why? Numbers are spiking. Doubling every 3 days. Its out of control in this state again, and people are just not taking social distancing measures seriously at all. Had to run some errands over the weekend and maybe 1 in 10 people were wearing a mask and the 6 ft apart guideline is a joke at this point.
 
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The Special Powers legislation was revoked in Finland today. As of midnight it will be normal times again.

Obviously with given value of "normal".
 
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Kids need to eat dirt to get some tolerance.

No sarcasm, exposure to viruses is really important for a small kid. If they're being shielded from COVID, they're also being shielded from a lot of other stuff that needs early immunity.

This is a no-win situation as far as little kids are concerned. They're either vectors that destroy the entire quarantine concept, or they're economic anchors who grow into un-developed adults.

I say we eat them all now, while we have a chance. (still no sarcasm)

As for why? Numbers are spiking. Doubling every 3 days. Its out of control in this state again, and people are just not taking social distancing measures seriously at all. Had to run some errands over the weekend and maybe 1 in 10 people were wearing a mask and the 6 ft apart guideline is a joke at this point.

I drove through Charlotte yesterday and was thinking about stopping for food while I had the chance to revisit my old stomping grounds.

Was absolutely floored to see people crammed into a restaurant patio. Zero masks, zero Fs given. Like there's just no reason in the world not to be shoulder-to-shoulder with a stranger right now.

Got back in the car and left town.
 

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Just picked up an online order at Jersey Mike's. I was the only the customer wearing one. The employees were, but presumably only because they're forced to, and half of them weren't wearing them correctly.

This is why we're still hiding out as much as we can (well, that and because our toddler has respiratory issues so we're doing everything we can to avoid bringing it home). It's out of control only because so many people can't be bothered to do their part to help.
 

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Just picked up an online order at Jersey Mike's. I was the only the customer wearing one. The employees were, but presumably only because they're forced to, and half of them weren't wearing them correctly.

This is why we're still hiding out as much as we can (well, that and because our toddler has respiratory issues so we're doing everything we can to avoid bringing it home). It's out of control only because so many people can't be bothered to do their part to help.
Yep. I was at the stoplight @ Glenwood/Hillsboro Friday. At Snoopys there were about 15 people waiting. 3 had masks on and were standing away from the rest who were not in any way social distancing. Why I am heavily self isolating. I drive around town when I feel need to get out. Otherwise stay home.
 

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Problem with K-12 is there’s no realistic way to contain COVID there. They can say whatever they want about having new rules in place... it absolutely will not matter. A week after the first non-symptomatic carrier goes to school, the entire school will be infected. Because kids are gross and half of them are really dumb.

Something like 25% of households have K12-aged kids. Let’s say... a month after schools open, it’s a fair bet that 25% of households will be exposed. At that point, there’s no quarantine anymore.

And this distinguishes K-12 from college students...how?

One of the reasons I've seen argued in favor of elementary schools re-opening is that you can make a class a specific cohort, especially if you reduce specials and other opportunities for kids to interact. The toughest parts will be lunch and school buses. But if one kid gets sick and an elementary school is doing well isolating classes from each other, you've got contact tracing for roughly 30 families. That's doable.

Need to figure this stuff out. It's a semi-selfish stance, but I need to know what on Earth is going on for Wake County before year-round school starts again August 1. 6 weeks off is already twice as long as we normally have for any break, so this will be interesting.
 

MrazeksVengeance

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Kids need to eat dirt to get some tolerance.

Seriously though the lack of the old school playtime where kids just hang out outside might have negative effect on the immunity of younger generations. For example I'd say that kids I know have a way to excercise, but it is restricted to organised sports and such.

Not that good old timey stuff, like finding an old cover for a streetlight and using it as sled in winter, because DAMN the aerodynamics of that thing were absolutely nutty.
 
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FYI. Not going in the right direction in NC and the South in general.

Hi Everyone,

For the most part, trends that we have seen before are continuing. There are some new trends in southern states, however, that I examine here for the first time because they are pretty dark. Please also note that I am presenting the data in a different format. Instead of having two graphs, one for the raw data and one for the moving average, I am now presenting only one graph, in which the points are the raw data and the line is the 5-day moving average. All statistical analyses, though, are based on the raw data.

US Cases

· The number of new cases per day in the US minus NY continues to decline slowly (Fig. 1). This trend is linear after day 50 (P = 0.0142), and projection of that trend indicates there will be no new cases on day 401 (5 April 2021), a long time away. Partly this slow decline is due to increases in new cases in a number of states (see below).
· The number of new tests continues to rise linearly (Fig. 2), a good trend.
· The number of new cases per test also continues to decline in the US outside of NY (and in NY) (Fig. 3; P = 0.0087 after day 78). Projection of this trend yields a 0-new-cases day of 222 (8 October). We will have to see if this trend continues downward. If not, there will be new infections after this date.
· The US data on cumulative new cases per test continues to be fit pretty well by a modified logistic growth curve (Fig. 4), although there still some small systematic deviations, with the actual data being more linear recently than the fitted curve.
· Projections of this curve still indicate that most of the first wave of infections has already passed. Specifically, for the US outside of NY, on days 104, 137, and 177 (12 June, 15 July, and 24 Aug, respectively—these dates are about 1-2 days later than projected last time because of the deviation from the curve; they are also in line with the projected 0-new-cases-per-test day above), 95%, 99%, and 99.9% of the total infections during the first wave of the virus will have occurred. On these dates, the minimum number of infections yet to come are 90,373, 18,505, and 2,619. On days 135 and 173, the expected minimum number of new cases will be 921 and 132.
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US Deaths

· The downward trend in new deaths in the US outside of NY (and in NY) continues unabated (Fig. 6). This trend remains linear, and predicts there will be no new deaths on day 141 (19 June)—4 days from today! If that seems too soon, bear in mind that yesterday there were only 284 deaths in the US outside of NY, down from a peak value of around almost 3,000. Day 207 (23 August) is within the margin of error. These dates remain unchanged from last time, and bode well for the passing of the effects of the first wave of infections.


NC Cases

· The number of reported new cases in NC continues to trend upward (Fig. 7). Moreover, this upward trend appears to be accelerating: the quadratic term in a regression of new cases vs. day is highly significant (P < 0.0001). This is obviously potentially bad news.
· This trend is also seen in number of new cases per test (Fig. 8). Here the trend is increasing linearly after day 73 (12 April) (P = 0.0003). It’s not clear what the cause of this increase is. It started long before NC began relaxing social-distancing practices and started “opening up”.
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NC Deaths

· The number of deaths per day in NC continues to plateau, with no statistical evidence for either an increase or decrease (Fig. 9).
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Southern Trends


You may have read that a number of states have recently shown an increase in new covid cases. Most of these reports give the number of reported cases, so those trends could be explained largely by an increase in testing. Below, I show data for number of new cases per test, designated “ratio”, for seven southern states (FL, SC, GA, AL, LA, TX and LA; data from https://covidtracking.com/api ). These are states that have taken aggressive approaches to “opening up” their economies. As the figure shows, in all seven states there is a significant upturn in new cases per test (quadratic regression, with quadratic coefficient significant at least P < 0.05, most with P < 0.001).

In each of these states, the upturn starts around day 80 (19 May), roughly corresponding to when these states opened up. However, we should be cautious about ascribing cause to these upturns, since NC shows a similar uptick (see above), but has been much more cautious about opening up. Moreover, while my analysis shows there has definitely been a reversal of the downward trend in these states, it is too early to tell whether the upward trend will continue or begin to plateau. Nevertheless, the contrast between what’s happening in these states and in the US as a whole, which shows a steady decrease in number of new cases per test, is striking, and should give everyone pause. We have a foreshadowing of a very bad trend that everyone, including politicians, should pay attention to and be proactive about.
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Conclusions

As a whole, trends in the US are promising. The number of new cases per test (which is likely a good indicator of the real number of new cases), continues to decline, with a predicted 0-new-cases day of 8 October. Projections from the cumulative new cases per test are even more optimistic, with a projection that all but 0.1% of infections from the first wave will have occurred by 24 August. Deaths also continue to decline steadily, with a projection of 19 June as the day when no new deaths will be recorded.

Of course, this all assumes that the trends continue as they have. However, the data from southern states indicate that an upsurge of infections is beginning. That clearly means these dates will be pushed back to later in the year. Just how far, we’ll have to wait and see. Clearly, though, these new trends are bad news and need new efforts to reverse them.

In North Carolina, similar adverse trends are continuing. The number of new cases per test seems to be increasing at a steady rate, and death rates are showing no sign of a downturn. Even if the “opening up” is not the cause of these trends in NC, we will still need to double down on social-distancing measures to reverse these trends. Let you politicians know you support this (if you do).

Stay safe!
 

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And this distinguishes K-12 from college students...how?

At least college students tend to wipe the crusted snot off their hands before touching someone else's face without warning.

Little kids are ridiculously unable to contain a virus. There's no sense in even trying.

Breaking classes into cohorts will help slow down the spread, but that's about all it can do. There's no way to stop them mixing on the bus, in before-school and after-school programs, in their own neighborhoods, etc.
 
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I drove through Charlotte yesterday and was thinking about stopping for food while I had the chance to revisit my old stomping grounds.

Was absolutely floored to see people crammed into a restaurant patio. Zero masks, zero Fs given. Like there's just no reason in the world not to be shoulder-to-shoulder with a stranger right now.

Just picked up an online order at Jersey Mike's. I was the only the customer wearing one. The employees were, but presumably only because they're forced to, and half of them weren't wearing them correctly.

Yep. I was at the stoplight @ Glenwood/Hillsboro Friday. At Snoopys there were about 15 people waiting. 3 had masks on and were standing away from the rest who were not in any way social distancing.

We are at the beach this week and we made the mistake of going into one of the Surf shops. It was packed and we (my kids and I) were the only ones wearing any masks. The rising number of infections in NC is no surprise.
 

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Ad 1: True, but the article wasn't just about China.

"Adding to the concern, Italy is fighting new outbreaks of its own, Iran and India have reported worrying increases in deaths and infections and the pandemic is gathering pace in Latin America."

"Brazil now has the second-highest number of virus deaths after the United States, and the Chilean health minister resigned on the weekend amid a furor over the country's true number of fatalities."

On the positive side, all these countries and the medical communities "should" be more able to handle things now, although as someone mentioned earlier, how it affects medical workers WRT being burned out remains to be seen.

Well, regarding Italy I think we can tag @Incubajerks . South America is imho still suffering from having leaders like Bolzonaro and getting hit later then Northern hemisphere.

Most of Europe is slowly improving though. We (CZE) got like 2.5 cases and it mostly stagnates, while majority of cases is very mild with less than 200 hospitalized and less than 20 critical.
 

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We are at the beach this week and we made the mistake of going into one of the Surf shops. It was packed and we (my kids and I) were the only ones wearing any masks. The rising number of infections in NC is no surprise.

Bright side, public Masses have opened back up in most dioceses and at least in the two churches we’ve been to we’ve seen every other pew blocked off, spaces between family grouping within pews, and ~60-80% mask adherence.
 
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Well, regarding Italy I think we can tag @Incubajerks . South America is imho still suffering from having leaders like Bolzonaro and getting hit later then Northern hemisphere.

Most of Europe is slowly improving though. We (CZE) got like 2.5 cases and it mostly stagnates, while majority of cases is very mild with less than 200 hospitalized and less than 20 critical.

None of that really changes the point I was making though. Certain areas are seeing increases as we "return to normal" and this is backed by what Minjaben just posted. Not every country, not every state, but we are seeing a rise as people relax social distancing.

Here's another example:

Coronavirus: Orange County reports a record high of 304 new cases and 4 new deaths as of June 14 – Orange County Register

Not unexpected and the protests may have an impact in a week or two as well. With that info is my concern for re-starting schools (in the US) as planned in a couple of months.
 
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No sarcasm, exposure to viruses is really important for a small kid. If they're being shielded from COVID, they're also being shielded from a lot of other stuff that needs early immunity.

This is a no-win situation as far as little kids are concerned. They're either vectors that destroy the entire quarantine concept, or they're economic anchors who grow into un-developed adults.

I say we eat them all now, while we have a chance. (still no sarcasm)

Gather all around the young ones; they will make us strong.

 

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They can say whatever they want about having new rules in place... it absolutely will not matter. A week after the first non-symptomatic carrier goes to school, the entire school will be infected. Because kids are gross and all but mine are really dumb.

fify :P

On topic, NC is definitely going back into quarantine, we're just now getting the bump from Memorial Day and the first protests. I hope they do it smarter, parks and beaches should remain open, albeit with enforced social distancing/mask wear, it seems the spread is mainly from lots of people indoors.

I don't see how we're going to get fans in arenas for a long time.
 

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I am traveling for work this week in NC. Have to say the nearly empty hotels have a creepy, deserted feeling to them. No food or drinks or services to be had really. Well I am staying at Hilton’s and they’ve partnered with Lysol for a Cleanstay program. So there’s that option.

Plenty of mask wearing thankfully. And, the places do smell strongly of disinfectant. Still, I will be glad to get back to the safety of the patio soon.

The highways are full of touristy looking vehicles loaded up with bikes, kayaks and campers.
 
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For my company, we're big enough in the area to have gotten a heads up before the announcement

As for why? Numbers are spiking. Doubling every 3 days. Its out of control in this state again, and people are just not taking social distancing measures seriously at all. Had to run some errands over the weekend and maybe 1 in 10 people were wearing a mask and the 6 ft apart guideline is a joke at this point.
Listen, if I’m gonna get inside info from this site, then it has to be GOOD inside info. I can’t be looking like a fool!
 

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No sarcasm, exposure to viruses is really important for a small kid. If they're being shielded from COVID, they're also being shielded from a lot of other stuff that needs early immunity.

Verfied viral disease infections in Finland Jan-May in this and two previous years. The hand disinfectant will probably be a staying feature in the stores from now on.

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Verfied viral disease infections in Finland Jan-May in this and two previous years. The hand disinfectant will probably be a staying feature in the stores from now on.

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Whenever you see an article in Finnish about microbiology please share it. I am still chuckling because of your name for S. pneumoniae. Because of the suffix to be specific.
 

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Whenever you see an article in Finnish about microbiology please share it. I am still chuckling because of your name for S. pneumoniae. Because of the suffix to be specific.
My people are dying to various tauti and you laugh.

(you need to share the joke with us)
 
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